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To play devil's advocate, maybe the same reason the US claims to be democratic?
I suppose it could be (and I guess that would be their angle), but the people of China (as far as I understand) aren't super devoted to communism and so it seems strange to push it so hard, it's not like how Americans are religiously obsessed with their democracy.
Plus it still runs into the same problem as before, it would just cause unnecessary friction around the world for them to claim the label of socialist, and historically, socialist powers have had no problem fighting and arguing amongst themselves (Look at the SIno-Soviet split or China/Vietnam relations for that)
I think I have heard a similar argument before though, it's to "trick the people" which treats Chinese people as lacking agency and is very western chauvinist, like all western arguments.
Not a bad attempt though. Always a good idea to try and understand an argument against our position rather than just dismissing it out of hand. We could be wrong, and China could be an evil state capitalist social imperialist hellhole that lies to the world to trick gullible MLs into...uhh...vague support on internet forums.
I would slightly disagree on the first part, I would say that the vast majority of Chinese people are more strongly devoted to their government/economic model than an average person or the average country, but I agree in that most people of China aren't hardcore communist fanatics like neoliberals sometimes portray them as. Sometimes I think there should be more general support for communism in China, but I also think it could be a blessing in disguise. "Apolitical" people can point out the flaws in all sides, and supporting the status quo in China is a great thing, and the people are very supportive and independent without being a "hive mind". But that does lend credence to your argument, I suppose.
I also agree that we should save mocking neoliberal's arguments for after they are thoroughly broken down and disproven.