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A general strike in Israel to protest the failure to return hostages held in Gaza led to closures and other disruptions around the country on Monday, but it was ignored in some areas, reflecting deep political divisions.

Israel’s largest trade union, the Histadrut, called for the general strike, the first since the start of the war. It aimed to shut down or disrupt major sectors of the economy, including banking, health care and the country’s main airport. But it ended early after a labor court ruled it must stop in mid-afternoon in response to a government petition calling the strike politically motivated.

Hundreds of thousands of Israelis poured into the streets Sunday in grief and anger after six hostages were found dead in Gaza. The families and much of the public blamed Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, saying they could have been returned alive in a deal with Hamas to end the nearly 11-month-old war.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Israel is one of the major intelligence hub in the world. So how did the October 7 attack happen if that was true?

Netanyahu allowed it. Look at the Wikipedia page. He knew. He sacrificed his own people and allowed it to happen.

Egypt said it warned Israel days before the attack that "an explosion of the situation [was] coming, and very soon, and it would be big."[81] Israel denied receiving such a warning,[82] although Michael McCaul, Chairman of the US House Foreign Relations Committee, said that warnings were given three days before the attack.[83]

That's two countries saying Israel knew days before the attack.

According to The New York Times, Israeli officials had obtained detailed attack plans more than a year before the attack.

The New York Times, who spread propaganda for Israel, said Israel knew.

The Times reported, "Hamas followed the blueprint with shocking precision." According to The Times, the document was widely circulated among Israeli military and intelligence leadership, who largely dismissed the plan as beyond Hamas's capabilities, though it was unclear whether the political leadership was informed.

The Times is a British newspaper. They said the IDF knew and information stopped somewhere in the chain of command. That's two newspapers outside their country that knew the attack was going to happen.

According to a BBC investigation, surveillance reports suggested that Hamas was planning a significant operation against Israel, but senior IDF officers repeatedly ignored the warnings.[99]

BBC is one of biggest news sources in the world. That's three news sources outside Israel that knew more than one of top intelligence sources in the world. Mossad had spies in Hamas and some how thousands of fighters crossed the border.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Yup, you have to be childishly naive to believe the Israelis were surprised. It just perfectly played into their hand.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's just israelis cockiness, they didn't take the threat seriously rather than just allowing it to happen

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Either way they knew and Netanyahu's incompetence got his own people killed. He should not have a job.

The October 7 attack was horrible but it's pretty convenient for Netanyahu to be incompetent at that time. Polls showed most people were against the 2023 Israeli Judicial Reform. One of the most out spoken groups were the millennials and Gen-Zers, the ones most likely to attend the Nova Music Festival.

Attendees described the crowd as mostly consisting of Israelis of ages 20–40 from across the country.

Source: Wikipedia

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Bin Laden determined to attack United States."

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Considering al-Qaeda attacked the World Trade Center twice while bin Laden was general, that statement is correct.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Correct, and Bush ignored the warning.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Are you suggesting Hamas was in favour of the judicial reform?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, Hamas views on it has nothing to do with what I said.

A war would keep Netanyahu in power longer. War has been used throughout history for people to grab more power and to keep power longer.

An attack at the Nova music festival would get rid of some Israeli civilian opposition to the 2023 Israeli Judicial Reform.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Do you think he coördinated with either Hamas or the organizers to make sure festival would be hit?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I think he has enough undercover Mossad agents in Hamas to influence them which target to attack.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Either way they are lying about it

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

October 7th 2023, September 11th, 2001, and December 7th 1941 all supposedly had intelligence reports at least a couple of days prior from foreign sources. I am sensing possible geopolitical motivations here.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Here's information from a an Israeli newspaper:

According to Haaretz, Israel's domestic intelligence agency, Shin Bet, and IDF military commanders discussed a possible threat to the Nova music festival near kibbutz Re'im just hours before the attack, but the festival's organizers were not warned.

Haaretz (Hebrew: הָאָרֶץ lit. 'The Land [of Israel]', originally Ḥadshot Haaretz – Hebrew: חַדְשׁוֹת הָאָרֶץ, IPA: [χadˈʃot haˈʔaʁets] lit. 'News of the Land [of Israel]') is an Israeli newspaper. It was founded in 1918, making it the longest running newspaper currently in print in Israel.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Oh, I concur. Just alluding to historical situations wherein interested parties ignored or withheld information in accordance with a broader agenda.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Russia repeatedly ignored intelligence suggesting the Kursk obslast invasion. So there is an even more recent example than the October Hamas terror attacks

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I see. I thought you were implying international news sources were giving out misinformation for their own agenda. That's why I posted a national newspaper source.