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Oh... If only you were well read... You would have known...
"There is no democracy with occupation"
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/there-is-no-democracy-with-occupation/
"Meanwhile, most of protestors in Tel Aviv are wary of making this connection and are horrified by speakers who try to connect the palpable risk to democracy with the occupation of the territories or the waving of Palestinian flags in protest. However, the moment may well come when they too will recognize that there is no democracy alongside occupation."
Haven't I been reiterating my support and official US policy for a 2 state solution?
Why would Palestinians need two states?
Palestinians would want two states so they can govern themselves in a sovereign nation, while concurrently Israel can do the same.
Palestinians need a state I agree, not sure what the second state would be for
Most of the world already recognized Palestinian statehood by the way, not the US or the civilized and european west though
The second state would be the counterpart to Palestine in a 2 state solution. Based on historical context, this would be the Israeli government.
Israel isn't a real state, it's a neoimperialist attack dog that occasionally forgets its leash. It's theft and murder incarnate. If you really consider historical context to be important and still hold to a two-state solution as the ideal outcome, then I'm sorry, you're lacking a great deal of historical context and haven't the right to invoke it here.
Unfortunately the stain of religion has caused the fruition of needless casualties throughout the centuries. As the world becomes more atheistic over time due to the nature of scientic discovery, my hopes for change grow.
Broadly speaking, religion is not diminished by scientific discovery, it is diminished by people's material needs being met and their prospects looking good. Our friend Marx called that one a long time ago, but modern studies on secularization say the same thing.
But Israel/Palestine is not about religion except as a smokescreen. It is about race, specifically an overwhelmingly white population of settler colonists creating and expanding an ethnostate. The aggrievement of the Palestinians is not that Jews exist, but that their homes were taken and their family members and friends were butchered like animals.
Alright, I mean this in the kindest way possible, you have no idea what you're talking about. I don't have the time required nor the desire to rectify that, so I'll simply say that you've spent a regrettable amount of time here embarrassing yourself in front of people who know substantially more about history and politics than you do. Trying to debate communists on those subjects at all is generally a bad idea, but to do so armed only with natsec PR and mystery statistics is something else.
I mean personally I support communism, but I have yet to see it implemented without authoritarian influence. The Native Americans have a pretty decent communal system, which the US should learn from.
Pretty rich coming from someone on the side of
Also you do realize why socialists and communists become "authoritarian" right? It's at least partly to do with people like you who would have snitched to the Apartheid government and even attempted to kill them.
While I am going to entertain your idea of 2-states, your government doesn't and never did.
Based on official US policy, the support for a 2 state solution remains remarkably unchanged and clear.
Yet it still refuses to recognize the 2nd half of the 2-state solution. بقى احنا عبط
Oh well, we refuse to recognize Israel. It is a modern Crusader state and will go away when this phase of the Crusader Wars end.
If you don't want to debate about the requirements for peace and stability, then I don't have much more to discuss with you. Have a nice weekend!
Simple, Zionist settlers go back to where they came from, just like the Crusaders before them. Palestine is for Palestinians.
Peace will happen when the US is too broke to prop up Israel anymore.
Israel is a major player in international discourse removed from US input. They play their own cards, and we shall continue playing ours.
Either you are dumb or lying. The US will pay and in many ways that can't be foreseen for unconditionally enabling the genocide. If the US were independent, why does Israel keep dragging it into conflicts and wars? They tricked you into the invasion of Iraq and trying to get you into Yemen and Iran. If you are adamant that Israel acts independently, then it is clear who holds the leash. The US will still be a valid target because it is easier and more attackable, I don't have to leave my own country, your troops are everywhere.
I mean there may be underwater communication cables between the US and Israel, but I wouldn't equate that to a dogs leash.
Sure you can. I have seen people use ethernet cables to leash their dogs. Israel makes the US invade countries and send it aid whenever it wants.
That sounds inhumane, and I would not support animal neglect in this form.
Yet, Israel leashes your government with it. You are okay with it being done to you
I'm sorry, but can you speak literally? These metaphors are unhelpful and distract from the debate at hand.
Your government sends endless and unconditional military and financial aid to Israel that enables it to commit genocide protected by the US veto in the UN, therefore it is complicit and guilty in the massacres.
It's fairly easy to disagree with this claim, but to each their own!
You may disagree with heliocentric theory, and it may seem obvious that the sun revolves around the earth.
The sun does not in fact orbit around the earth. Have you played Kerbal Space Program? It might help with your understanding.
Yes it does. The US despite its size orbits Israel otherwise it would be antisemitic
This fails to respond to my response?
It is about the tail wagging the dog, you won’t get it
I like dogs, they're man's best friend!
Yet, they will never give me 3.50
What is 3.50?
https://youtu.be/tuh8Hip_B3w
Trey Parker and Matt Stone have had better moments.