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Recently I was asked if we'd be willing to reconsider federation with Hexbear, followed by CARCOSA reaching out to me to see if it was something we'd be open to.

They made a post asking if their community was interested in refederating with us, similarly I'd like the opinion of our local users.

Why refederate?

Hexbear has a decent number of sizable active communities:

These all seem fairly well moderated, giving us access to more diverse posts and viewpoints. A lot of our feed right now is dominated by US centric communities, and it'd be nice to get some more variety.

Why not?

They love trolling and I don't expect them to follow our rules when commenting (primarily "be civil").

Just looking at their thread about us, there's a significant number of immature replies slandering us / Canada. I'm not confident their users will engage in actual discussion in our threads, rather than just showing up to throw out insults and memes.

We can try to handle this by banning users / blocking specific communities, but that's going to increase moderation workload for both admins and mods. Hexbear is self admittedly quick to ban users on their side, but they also don't mind ban evasion - not ideal for us.

So what's next?

This is where we solicit your opinions, how does our community feel?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Yes, I’m up for interacting with more leftists. As they have been polite visitors on Vegan Theory Club.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

I'd be happy with more interaction, left or right. But hexbear seems to be interested in trolling mostly. I don't see much of their content, but just reading the linked discussion about federating with lemmy.ca was gross.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Hexbear users aren't leftists, they're radical centrists. Preach the virtues of communism while attacking people for being communists. Speak up about the genocide in Palestine while denying the genocide in China. Support capitalist Russia and Imperialist Putin in the name of anti-capitalism and anti-imperialism. Preach the values of queer acceptance while harassing people for being trans. Every good opinion they have is tainted by acting the exact opposite way the next day. They claim to be leftists, but 50% of the time their actions are the actions of fascists.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The problem is they have rules about not abusing vegans, so VTC is safe by default. We won't have that safety net.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I will be informing Vancity of this hostile comment towards a marginalized group trying to protect animals.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm sorry but I think you misunderstood me.

Hexbear has very stringent rules against bugging vegans, so they won't brigade VTC for that reason. Lemmy.ca doesn't have that protection from hexbear, as we're a multi purpose instance rather than vegan specific.

That's all I was saying. I have no issues with veganism at all.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yes, you're right about Hexbear having an extra rule about the treatment of animals.

I appreciate the response however I took issue with the wording "We won't have that safety net." I will not pursue further action.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Phew everyone stand down, beaver has chosen mercy today lol

Pray their benevolence is not tested again

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's a hexbear moron using a .ca alt. Just downvote and ignore.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Beaver has been a long time contributing user to lemmy.ca, not everyone you disagree with is a hexbear alt.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What just happened to you wasn't a disagreement, that was a hair trigger to a dunk, hex or not

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Beaver has been here for a while and contributes often, I trust her and she simply wanted an answer to a misunderstanding on a subject she cares about deeply.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Totally fine but the words used were very toxic and aggressive. Had shadow been away and not replied promptly, a whole chain of events, built of an assumption would have been rolling, and shadows good name brought into question. Jumping to a conclusion with a threat locked and loaded. When clarified the threat retracted with imperious attitude.

I make no comment on the history of the user or the instance, and imply no alting. but the behavior displayed was very alike that of hex.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It felt indeed a but agressive, but the cause of veganism and animal defense is deep to her heart so I kinda get where it came from.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I get that, and respect that. If it's as you say and they are a leading voice in this space, I leave with this statement:

Leadership is a burden, and reasonable, measured action is how it's carried.

A very smart wildland fire crewboss told me something close to that once when I made squaddie.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Wise advice, thanks for sharing :)