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Your choice doesn't affect Gaza. That power lies with Israel and their next election.
For the rest of the world though, it will.
I expect downvotes, but I figure thinking out loud about online discourse can be healthy to the general community and so I'm gonna do so.
The real issue here is not the fate of Gaza, I think. I believe that in reality, your failure is choosing not to be apart of the revolution that aims to dismantle the US government - the only way these groups view Gaza has any chance of being saved (by "this group" I'm referring to the condemners, who I suspect are Leninists and similar idealogues). Saying this openly is currently outside of the Overton window in the US still, since a majority Americans are uninterested in actually fighting and dying for a new system. Instead, they just imply it, or condemn stances that constrain to the status quo.
IMO, Such a revolution would need to happen within Israel for it to halt the genocide, and a revolution in US would fail to impact the Israeli government quickly enough to actually save Gaza.
Your individual likelihood of becoming fodder against police, and eventually the US military itself, is also ignored. The revolution itself is for the greater good of mankind in their eyes, and thus your life by itself is inconsequential.
Probably should be directly shutting down this call for joining the revolution rather than trying to appeal to reason - or explicitly state how you're participating.
Overall, I think that the holy week riots demonstrated how effective violent protest can be and that something like that happening again could be good for the US. I'm aware how extreme that statement will seem to some, but the fact that the fair housing act was passed in a week should really show just how effective that kind of violent action can be, and that we shouldn't rule it out.
At the same time though, I understand that many leftists currently are doing what they can to leverage the system to their advantage. This is not out of indoctrination, IMO, but because they have a respect for the lives of those immediately around them - they understand the alternative is sending a large portion of those around them to their die for a cause and they can't conscionably do that. I couldn't do that either, and I'm gonna respect how they're operating currently and try to help how I am able.
You're bringing in shit ton of topics in this statement. It's hard to figure out what's your intent for advocating this. In explicit terms, what exactly do you consider good for humanity? How do you feel about the impact of dismantling the US government? Do you really understand what exactly that would cause?
I am not following what you mean by "this" when you're asking about what I'm advocating.
In explicit terms, my understanding is that Leninists and similar ideologies believe that humanity is in its capitalist phase, and that the next phase is communism. That is what I mean when I say that they believe a revolution in the US is good for humanity.
I don't feel good about the impact of the US being dismantled, nor do I feel good about any western nation being dismantled. I don't think anyone has a full clue what the US collapsing would cause, but I think it would cause catastophe. I am not advocating dismantling, if that's what you think.
Ah, I'm all for it then. I'm just not onboard for careless actions done for the sake of doing, and consequently introducing instability to other's lives.
israhell has been committing this genocide for almost a century unless someone willing to abolish isntreal is on its next vallot i dont see how ir***ls next election could change anything, certainly no previous election put a stop to the genocide.
Why is tankie always fascinated by the idea of annihilation as a solution?
Why are Zionists always incorrectly calling abolishing the genocidal Israeli State "genocide and annihilation?"
This bit is pretty mask off for them, because it's how og nazis understood volkism.
"Abolish a globally recognized state is not genocide and annihilation" is probably the most genocidal take i've ever heard.
But yeah sure maybe you should tell UN that or something.
Are you under the impression that the government of Israel is the same as the people living there? Do you think replacing a fascist apartheid ethno-state with a secular, democratic Palestinian state representing Palestinians and former-Israelis equally with minority protections is genocide?
You're giving off a large number of Hitler-particles.
Where did you get that lol.
Do you think the people living under that state, whether they agree or not agree with the action of Netanyahu, will want to disband their own country and live under different name after existing for more than half a centuries? It's no different than saying replacing Palestine and put them under a democratic Israel state representing Israeli and former-Palestinian equally. I bet they will like to have a two state solution than anything.
Ohh so forcibly disband a country and put their people under the control of another government isn't hitler-ish. Very galaxy brain, much wow.
When you said disbanding a country is genocide.
Nazi Germany was disbanded. Imperial Japan was disbanded. These countries were commiting mass slaughter and genocide of innocents, just like Israel.
Israel cannot continue to exist as a fascist ethno-state and needs to be replaced with a single secular democratic state for Palestinians and former Israelis alike.
Read a book and stop defending genocide .
Seems like you're either failing at communication between two human or you failed at history because both example is just disbanding the government, not the country itself, as Germany and Japan still exists as they were when the Nazi and Imperial Japan rule. They both went through reform.
Or maybe you're just too smart to realise disbanding a country is not the same as reforming a government.
Anyway, i'm done arguing with tryhard tankie that think their opinion is absolute.
What do you mean "disbanding a country" vs a government? Do you think you're winning some clever wordgame? Average zionist response tbh.
Some people can more easily envision murder then the working class (of every country) taking control of their own lives and living in peace and harmony.
Considering how my country men/women/whatever act, I honestly can't blame them.
the genocidal state of israel has left no other solution but its own destruction. It is clear that they will accept no peace, and that they will never stop as long as they exists.
Yeah, let's do what they do and call yourself a good guy.
The fact that u would even compare genocide with dismantlement a warmongering genocidal state tells me everything i need to know about u. Fucking liberal moralizers, doesnt give a single shit about literal genocide but when the people being murdered and raped and slaughtered and robed of everything fucking dare to fight back all of the sudden they start pearl clutching about some dead soldiers and the inevitable destruction of an organization whose only purpose is genocide. And u know what gets me the most about u fucking clowns that when its all done and history and its undeniable who was right u pretend like u were on the side of the oppressed all along u would have defended Rhodesia u would have defended apartheid South Africa, u would have defended the British colonies in Kenya and the french colonies in Algeria just like u defend israel today, and u would have said "well the way black people are treated is bad but violence is always wrong" during the American civil rights movement because u are a piece of shit.
Unconditional political and material support for the genocide from the US is the only reason Israel is able to continue doing it. Period.
That's true, but we're talking about picking party, not USA as a whole.
it is true that both parties are fascists
Your definition of fascist covered a lot of leading country include china and russia it seems.
Yes
You say that as if you think that's not the case.
Not the case of...what? USA is fascist or USA, Russia, India, and China are all fascist?
no it doesn't
Lmao, classic yogthos.
oh you thought I was actually going to engage with your trolling there 😂
Your definition of "trolling" is facinating. Classic yogthos lol
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Go to sleep.
If you vote for genocide you prove that like Biden you do not have any red lines.
Why do Democrats pretend to criticize Biden for letting Israel invade Rafah? They are voting for it in the end. You care as little about Palestinians as Biden.
You can obsessed with that issue all you want, i'm not even American and have no say on what your choice are, and i can give them all the attention i have it still won't change shit until Netanyahu step down.
My current biggest concern is climate crisis, which unsurprisingly affect basically everyone, including Palestinians. Guess which party call that a hoax, are actively destroying the planet, and guess which country are in the top 5 greenhouse gas emission.
Also lemme know if there's any party that share your opinion and concern.
You can obsessed with that issue all you want...
I can and i will.
PSL shares both yours and their concerns.
Either way, neither the DNC nor the GOP are attempting to meet the important climate targets seriously, they need to be replaced. If they can't be replaced electorally, then they must be replaced through force.
Yeah, like nuclear apocalypse or something 🤷
Tankie are something else it seems.
What on Earth are you talking about?
What? Do u really think USA doesn't have the power to demand Israel to stop attacking?
Probably not until it's citizens are able to vote outside the two party system in a reliable manner.
Are you aware that the only way Israel is waging their war with guns and bombs is because of the US selling them the weapons? I'm sure Israel would still want to commit genocide without them but would find it much harder to do with literal sticks and stones.
Like saltyiceteamaker said, US won't do jackshit about what Netanyahu doing regardless on who you vote, and even if they don't give them money, highly unlikely Netanyahu will just stop doing what he's doing.
However, for other issue within US or the one affect the world, it have different impact between this two. US is one of the biggest CO2 emission country, and also the world exporter of methane, for example.
No. they mean, no matter who you vote, the us won't do jackshit
Edit: punctuation for better readability