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‘I don’t know what’s in vaccines but let’s take this MDMA that someone cooked in their bathtub.’
Ten years ago maybe. These days the witchy girls are mostly on board with vaccines, and it’s suburban housewives who fight against them. What a reversal.
I don't know about that. I live in a really crunchy town, and there are still a ton of holistic/homeopathic/crystal-healing nut jobs that are down to try most any drugs they can get their hands on
My God, the "DMT is a natural compound, big pharma is just covering it up" crowd is really fucking vocal around here, and they're all about vaccine denial.
You know what: DMT is great, vaccines are great.
Also, DMT is a really bad example. It's one of the oldest psychedelics, gets a ton of research, and psychedelics in general show very promising results in treating e. g. PTSD and treatment resistant depression - not by nut jobs, but actual scientists.
I know what you're saying, but let's not drag down something just because some very vocal people might have unrelated, questionable opinions - we made that mistake a couple of times already.
I've got no problem with DMT, I just can't stand its "fans."
I'm all for more psychedelic and empathogen research, and I agree that many of those compounds have great promise. I have just noticed that the "let's keep an open mind about DMT" crowd and the "big pharma is controlling us with vaccines" crowd has a lot of overlap, at least in my town.
I blame Joe Rogan, mostly.
As I said, I get it. There are other people reading this thread though, and maybe some of them don't know much about a certain topic, let's say DMT, so they might get the idea that there is a basis for associating DMT with vaccine deniers and weirdos, in particular since psychedelics already have a very bad rap since Nixon's war on drugs, and on Leary in particular.
It would already help if, instead of stating "I don't like people who are fans of DMT" (quotes or not), you simply say what you don't appreciate about the crowd in question, e. g. their love of pseudo-science, harmful medical quackery, or whatever else they postulate that might potentially harm others. Put in a different way: there are plenty fans of DMT that probably are perfectly pleasant people.
Sorry, this is not targeted at you or anything and developed into a bit of a rant, but I'm myself trying to communicate better and that might come out unfiltered.
I'm with you on Joe Rogan though, he was never particularly clever, but the show was at least somewhat entertaining when he was just being a clueless meathead wanting to learn about the world. Now I consider it actively harmful.
To be completely honest, I missed where you said "I know what you mean," so we're probably on the same wavelength.
And I definitely could have elaborated on what I meant to make it more clear why I think many DMT advocates come on too strong and make their arguments starting from very flawed (and pseudoscientific) premises, but I got lazy and assumed we were mostly operating from the same experiences with the Joe Rogan crowd.
Thanks for helping me improve my argument and communication. Cheers and enjoy your weekend
That’s the way it was historically, so I’m not surprised. These days it’s become more political so the liberal crowd (those who historically were vaccine denialists) have warmed up to the idea significantly.
This might be a lot more prominent in my location than others of course.
Can confirm, dating a witchy girl, the oils are basically just a scent for relaxation now
I don’t know, a couple years ago it was the crunchy ones at the farmer’s market who were really vocal about it.
I’m not even going to get into the Starbucks crowd though.