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Did you? Here's what was mentioned in the suspension and it all sounds right wing to me:
The problem with this situation is everything that was said was said publicly, and yet, not a single thing said was linked. Some of the claims they made are blatant misrepresentations of what was said, too, which is fun. If they have nothing to hide, quote or link what he said, don't paraphrase it.
Nah, they don't have to repeat slurs, discussions of sexual assault, or other things that they don't want in their community in the first place.
Do you have any examples of his stance on reverse racism, the sexual assault discussions, or his use of slurs that were "misrepresented"?
That's fair, they needn't quote it, you're right, they can just link it, context included.
I do not have examples of those, nor did I claim to.
What was misrepresented was a quote about SNL, where an offensive clip from old SNL was posted, and he said it was from when SNL was still funny. He didn't even comment on the clip except for the era in which it came out. (I think there was a second one, but I don't recall the other offhand, so I'm not gonna try to pull it out of my ass here)
What I disliked is that by not linking the originals, we have to trust their judgment entirely and have to infer which incidents they're referring to and what was said. That's stupid. Just link the damn discussions, they were public. If it was bad, it will be obvious. I should not have to make my judgment based on their view of what was said, I want to make my judgment based on what was actually said. I don't agree with what Tim said, but I also feel like they're not being as transparent as they should be.
I think making an assumption of hom being "right wing" based on that information is a poor assumption. It's clear that his behavior has been disruptive, negative, and promoting an unhealthy and unhelpful environment among the community and I think things could have been deescalated. I hope people on the committee aren't making the bad faith assumption that there's no way forward other than to excommunicate people who aren't presently fitting in with the prevalent culture of the community.
Lol, yeah, bitching about reverse racism could come from anywhere on the political spectrum /s
Those are accusations and reasons provided by the PSF. Continue reading the article beyond that.
Is "Python old-timers are troglodyte reprobates" not worth pushing back against? What kind of atmosphere is created if ageism is OK?
I'm not going to quote the rest, you can read it.
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"Troglodyte reprobates" was a term that Tim seemed to bring up himself from what seems to be pretty much out of the blue, so it's a bit questionable
I'm not sure what your point is. You said to the parent comment in this thread that it wasn't a right winger. I provided a quote from the article that supported that he was. Now you're bringing up one thing that he pushed back against? I don't think that balances out. He had a pattern of going against the code of conduct multiple times with about a third of his comments being called into question. Then you put words in my mouth saying I'm saying ageism is ok because I use the article to show his behavior is crappy. What's your point? Ageism is bad? I agree. Peters is redeemed by that one push back? I disagree.
So is that how courts work for you? You are guilty because you are accused?
Lawyer: Your honor, the defendant is accused of having said despicable thing and showing repulsive behavior. I quote from a newspaper article that quotes from a group, that doesn't provide a source: [...]
Judge: The accusations are proof of wrong-doing and thus are sufficient to convict this criminal of being a "libertarian bro who only thinks of themself and tries to hide behind 'just focus on the code!', thinking itโll excuse right-wing behavior".
That's not how it works. I doubt @[email protected] read the article. You just quote accusations and provide it "evidence", "proof" or as "support of who he was", and not a single link to any of such action displayed in the accusations.
The article describes exactly this fear of being sanctioned in secrecy without no links to evidence and you're doing exactly that, just like OP.
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This isn't a court. That is how it worked.