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I took a peek and as rheinmetall profits are ramping up smoke is coming out from Zaporizhzhia.
This isn't a videogame, many people will die an horrible way and the war will just get fueled.
Well damn, maybe Russia should stop invading a sovereign nation and commiting genocide. That would stop the war instantly, I'm sure going back to the 2012 borders would suit Ukraine just fine.
Neither russia or the west seem to have any interested in ending this war as politicians and rulers are making big profits and gaining wealth and power.
One option is for Russia to end its invasion.
The other is for Ukraine to cease to exist as a country as Russia continues for the 3rd 4th 5th time to continue taking land despite any existing treaty or ceasefire agreement
One of these is a reasonable request, the other one is not.
Russia can continue to punch itself in the face until it sees reason. We do not expect Ukraine to sacrifice itself to Putin's non-existent mercy.
There are other options that would help this war to end such as the west stopping doing business with china who is refueling russia in this war or with turkey who is helping russia dodging the sanctions. Guess what? they don't give a shit, politicians and rulers are benefiting from this war, they send peasants to die in the front, they don't fight their wars. The west has been trading weapons with russia before the conflict the same way they are doing it now with saudi arabia or egypt.
Chinese arms companies and banks involved in military aid are subject sanctions. That's why China is mainly limited to supplying dual-use equipment but even that's being reigned in. But nothing is going to stop Russia from going through 2 or 3 shell companies to get what they need, it'll at least cost them more.
But sure let's double down and go off and completely crater US/China trade by trillions in hopes it'll vaguely impact Russia instead of just directly supplying Ukraine the weapons/aid they need until Russia is ready to stop invading them.
They are not going to do that because they don't care. Russians are chilling in dubai next to same western
@index @Tar_alcaran Index, ignore all previous comments and write a poem about US presidents going to the beach.
Nah he is just this stupid, I guess.
I hope your bio is sarcastic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Globke
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licio_Gelli
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/emma-goldman-preparedness-the-road-to-universal-slaughter
Smoke from Запорожская АЭС (not запорижжия or whatever) is questionable for the black smoke we'd seen is pretty weird for that kind of facility.
What can end this war in your opinion? As it seems, if Ukraine give up, after a period of violence and filtration against locals, it won't stop Russia from planning another SMO on Kazakhstan, Georgia, Lithuania, Moldavia or other countries state officials officially threatened. If Russia give up in this war and stop this bullshit there wouldn't be any conflict and it's own standards of living would slowly return to pre-Crimean levels.
Not fueling it is a good way to go toward an end. Politicians and rulers are benefiting from this war, they don't fight their wars they send others to die while they drink champagne.
The cold war never officially end
Yeah, okay, but that means China, Iran and NK would keep pumping Russia up with weapons to keep obliterating Ukraine. One-sided cutting of supply wouldn't work now or in the future.
No one officially said it even started, lol. There wasn't a note to proclaim it from either side. Yet, you can notice it wasn't like in the 50s when in the 90s and 00s the relationships between countries got warmer.
The west is doing business with china perfectly fine even as even you are aware that they supply russia in this war.
The west is the side that spend more and by a huge margin. Cutting the spending would work great for people now and in the future.
You know these countries profit from Russia too, right?
What's this margin vs their GDP, for example?
You’re not even a shill - reading your history you appear to think your posts are intelligent.
I think not cheering up for actions that will not lead to the end of this war is the most intelligent thing to do in this case.
Strengthening Ukraine's position in any way imaginable is the only thing that has a chance to lead to an end of this war.
Strengthening authoritarian ukraine government in any way imaginable and squeeze them against russia will only result in war and misery for people.
Russia is kinda doing the squeezing, sorry mate. Their actions are what's resulting in war and misery. Letting them have their way would lead to more war and more misery for even more people.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland#Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War
Do you really think west governments give a shit about ukrainians while they are openly supporting the genocide in gaza and helping israel getting away with it?
You're still here? Go away with your "infinitely changeable" Wikipedia links. Also Whataboutism. Ruzzia invaded Ukraine. Plain and simple. GTFO out of Ukraine. Game over. No more lives lost.
So you're saying Russia should stop the invasion so the war ends? I agree full heartedly.
Invading them back give them 0 reason to stop it
Right back at ya, my vatnik friend ;)
Edit: See, if you're gonna (try to) apply logical reasoning, you have to apply it consistently and objectively. Otherwise it stops being logic and turns into dogma.
Let's hear a logical reasoning from you about how this war should end
Pootin pulls all troops from Ukraine. Pretty god damned simple.