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On July 25, after a couple of months of debate, the Wikipedia entry "Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza" was changed to "Gaza genocide." This was done despite the fact that the International Court of Justice in the Hague has not made an official ruling on the matter, in the wake of South Africa's petition to the court alleging that Israel is committing or facilitating genocide in Gaza.

The Los Angeles-based Jewish Journal, which followed the Wikipedia discussion and vote, wrote that the editors who voted on this change claimed to be relying on an academic consensus based on statements of experts on genocide, human rights, human rights law and Holocaust historians.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

well i mean, most human rights orgs dont like war or people dying, so im not really sure why that's a surprise.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But they don't call all such events genocides.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

they don't and that is true, but there is a relative predisposition there in that regard.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Designating something as a genocide is not a matter of opinion -- it's a legal definition.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

Right, that’s why the ICJ exists

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

An homicide is an homicide before the court case for it is done. Just because some words also have legal definitions it doesn't mean that they're incorrectly used before the judge concluded them and the guilty party.

Maybe easier to visualise with assault. Assault happened from the moment the aggression happened, not from the moment the aggressor got convicted of it

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

yup, and the court hasn't deliberated just yet, so there is no actual determination as to what's going on.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

the NPR article itself quotes a block about how experts believe there is "grounds for genocidal acts to be committed" which is a bit of a far shoot from "experts believe there is active genocide" happening.

And just so we're on the same page here, i'm inclined to agree with the assessment that there is significant potential for genocide to occur in this environment. My problem is the explicit nature and totality of the usage of the term which i find to be irresponsible.