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I guess we are running in different circles (which is likely, cause we probably don't live in the same country :D ). I do not perceive it this way. The black and white thinking is a big problem social media is not helping with (and I don't accuse you of it, its just a fact)
Yes shure, but the black and white thing is what i understand as woke, we good everyone else evil, different opinions unwelcome, even if just slightly different. And thats what im seeing on LW as well.
I can definitely live with different opinions where opinions are reasonable (i don't accept "opinions" that are just antisemitism or LGBT hate and similar things, actual racism and sexism just aren't opinions) thats the problem, you cant reason with most people in the woke spectrum, the original idea of woke was being aware of racism and informing about it, great goal, but the "woke" now is as said basically a religion of close minded people.
Sounds to me like it is more about the people aggressively proclaiming "we good everyone else evil" and not so much about the actual people that are being called woke by the likes of trump and other right wing extremists... The people who actually think of themselves as woke are usually not in the extreme spectrum you are referring to.
I would think of myself as "woke" and I very much agree with your statement:
The woke the trumpists mean is just the new word for communism/socialism. They would definitely call me woke, while the actual woke would call me a conservative and the people i understand as woke did and do call me literally Hitler.
I don't want to be associated with woke, especially not in my country (they played themselves into a corner and get more and more radical but that story would fill a 3 part documentary) but i do definitely align with a big portion of their reasonable points, in some points i have a little different perspective and therefore a slightly other stance, but thats already enough for the woke I mean to call me Nazi/literally Hitler. And the people i think of call themselves woke publicly or even argue that woke is a term that can only apply to black people because they started it (wich i would consider racism)
What is pretty much obvious from our debate here is that the meaning of a "woke" is depending on the person you ask. So maybe we should just not use that term when we want to criticize something, because nobody knows what exactly is meant by it.
But just FYI I have no idea which country you're from or who the people are you're referring to