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Well goddamn it. I was just having this convo on another thread. My main point: don't spread lies especially when there is SO MUCH real shit to laugh at them for...
Edited from my other comments elsewhere:
JD is a creepy weirdo, but the couch story was made up.
I fucking hate it when people feel the need to make up stuff about someone who already has plenty of real red flags that need attention.
Yes it's funny, and it's working in the short term. But any lie, once uncovered, makes it so much easier for even the worst positions to be defended. 'See, they have to make shit up about us, they have nothing'. Bam, now even all the other factual points are discredited in the eyes of many people who may have been on the fence.
You know the whole 'fake news' thing being thrown around a lot by one side in particular? It doesn't seem like a good idea to give them more examples they can correctly point to when they want to discredit you and anything else you say.
Keep calling them weird, keep having fun with it. It's fucking great. But use the real shit. There's so much
Truth never mattered to Trump supporters before, why would ~~I~~ it suddenly matter now?
I mostly agree with you FWIW, but I think this is an instance outside of it.
Nah. It works. The fact that it isn't true literally doesn't matter. This is not the time to worry about what strategies come with the integrity of accuracy. If it works and has steam, at this point, we need it.
Fuck em. Flipper Couch-Fucker Vance doesn't deserve our careful accuracy.
Also, like, have you seen this guy? There's no way he's not fucking couches.
We're about 8 years past this point. They will discredit you with or without you actually saying anything, so limiting your strategy based on the assumption that you're denying them ammo is nothing but a self-inflicted handicap.
Everyone knows the couch story is made-up, and nothing here suggested otherwise; it's purely an irreverent jab at a clown who deserves no reverence.
More importantly, (in all seriousness) is that the joke has taken off the way it has because Vance strikes people as the kind of guy who would actually fuck a couch. It's just believable enough to make you actually check, because of who he is, where anyone else you'd dismiss it outright. It's not that he's really a couch-fucker, it's that he's a "couch-fucker-esque" guy. Which is almost worse.
And it's brilliant to exploit that when attacking him.