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It is nuts that Israel thinks this is a good way to act. One of these days the USA will turn a blind eye and countries will do to them what they are doing to others. Killing people in other countries will lead to terrible things.
Didn't the US just go and straight up assassinate Bin Laden, Al Zawahiri, Al Baghdadi, ...?
The main complaint isn't so much that Israel is killing enemy leaders; but that it is doing it in a strategically self destructive way.
Bin Laden was a risky move, but the strike was conducted in Pakistan, who was friendly to us; and there are allegations that the Pakistani government gave more of a green light to the operation than they were willing to admit.
Al Zawahiri was in Afghanistan about a year after we left. The Taliban at the time was still occupied in condolidating their power domestically; and their big victory was getting the US to withdraw. They lacked the will and means to start a major war with the US.
Al Bagdhadi was done as part of the Syrian civil war, in direct coordination with the SDF. At the time the operation was planned, the US military was directly involved on the ground in Syria, although our sudden withdrawal prior complicated that.
Israel is dealing with a country that is antagonistic to Isreal, and which has spent decades building up its military capabilities in anticipation of an eventual hot war with Israel. Iran has demonstrated that it has serious political will in avoiding a hot war, however it is just 1 miscalculation away from stumbling into one anyway; and every direct attack Israel makes causes Iran to roll the dice again. Or, at some point Iranian leadership might decide that all Israel's direct attacks mean they are in a hot war already, an that Iran should respond with full force.
In the case of this particular assassination, I struggle to see what tactical or strategic upside Israel gets to justify the risk. Israel is nominally trying to negotiate with Hamas; but they just killed a senior Hamas member who was involved in those negotiations. Worse, they killed a member who was, within the context of Hamas, a pro peace moderate. Him leaving for completely benign reasons would have been bad for Israel, because his replacement woukd likely be more antagonistic then him. This is 100x worse when he leaves due to a direct and deliberate attack by Israel.
The only way Israel's actions make sense is if the leadership that has been spending years trying to start a war with Iran is trying to start a war with Iran; and if the leadership that has been spending months sabatoging any potential deal in Gaza wants to sabatoge the potential for a deal in Gaza.
The only difference between those assassinations might have been Pakistan, but even then it was a public secret that he was being protected by the ISI and so the US didn't risk informing their 'ally' of what they were about to do.
And in either of those cases, the US/Israel will have made a positive evaluation of the fallout. I've heard predictions that "Iran will instruct their proxy militias to strike at Israel". Yeah ok, what have they been doing for the last 10 months? And what caused Israel pressing the button this week? Or "They'll send a larger missile strike". Yeah ok they did that in April and unless they go full send Israel is probably going to be able to largely fend it off.
And with option nr2, some sane people might see that it's Iran that's choosing to escalate. I think it's unlikely that they want to, though. They are content just being in power and killing some sluts who dare show their hair in public, and mailing missiles to some schmucks to fight some religious wars elsewhere.
Israel just hit 2 foreigners as retaliation for Iranian-backed missile strikes on children. Earlier this year IS killed 80 Iranian civilians because they believed they were doing the worshipping thing a little bit wrong. Would they really start a war, which could end their reign, over this?
Lastly, why would Israel care who sits at the other end of the table? Haniya might have been somewhat rational, but that doesn't mean he wasn't praying for more jewish casualties five times a day. At any rate, it helps them when the other side is more openly genocidal. Israel has no real reason to stop this war before they've broken Hamas, so why would they ever want a deal that prevents this?
Yes the USA has done similar things.