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What everyone gets wrong about the 2015 Ashley Madison scandal (www.newscientist.com)

submitted 4 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Generally, the media has focused on the (mainly) men whose names and desires were taken from the company’s subscriber database and shared with the world. [...] Ashley Madison was never really about that. Avid Life Media, its parent company, wasn’t in the business of sex, it was in the business of bots. Its site became a prototype for what social media platforms such as Facebook are becoming: places so packed with AI-generated nonsense that they feel like spam cages, or information prisons where the only messages that get through are auto-generated ads.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So, as someone who has used the Internet since its very earliest days, what would you say about what the Internet is like today versus back then? Was it better? Worse? Any major online events that you can recall from that period?

I grew up at the very tail end of the old forums and certainly after the decline and death of old school chat rooms. Most of them died or went inactive while I was in high school/college. The version of the internet older adults used is almost alien to me.

Hell, today's Internet is on its way to being alien too.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I absolutely love the question and I'm going to attempt to answer it in a way that is not a reminiscing by an "old" internet citizen, rather some of the magic and wonder that I have been fortunate enough to experience.

My first time really connecting to the Internet was in 1990. I didn't have my own account, so with permission I used the account that belonged to my boss at the time, Brian Murphy. He was a statistician and wine maker who had employed me to convert a statistics program (NANOVA) he wrote for a mainframe into something that could run on a desktop spreadsheet program that was new and exciting at the time, Wingz.

At the time the way "the Internet" worked was much more fragmented than the almost integrated experience we have today. Protocols (ways of getting information) like "telnet"[1], "ftp"[2] and "finger"[3] were how you got around, using programs that only knew how to do one thing. All of it was text-only. If you've heard of "gopher"[4], it didn't exist yet. The "Wide Area Information Server"[5] (WAIS), had only just been invented but hadn't made it to my desk.

You used text only email much like today, but addressing required that you knew how to get your message from your system to the recipient, using a so-called bang path [6] addressing scheme. This was not fun, but it got the job done. You could use tools like "finger" to determine how to get email to a person, which was a great help, but still was non-trivial. It's like putting an address on an envelope that says, send this message from Perth, to Kalgoorlie, then to Adelaide, then to Sydney, then to Ultimo, then to Harris Street, then to number 500.

Much simpler was to use "Usenet News"[7], a global messaging system where you connected to your local news server, participated in discussion, whilst behind the scenes your messages would be shared with other news servers which were doing the same.

So, I'm sitting at my desk in Brian's office with a brand new Apple Macintosh SE/30. This is leading edge hardware. I have a text-window open that is emulating a terminal (probably a VT220[8]), using telnet I'm connected to the local VAX cluster[9] that is running (among other things) our local news server.

I am not certain, but I think that this is my first ever message. It's 4 September 1990 and I'm having an issue with MPW Pascal and the piles of paper documentation surrounding me had no answers. There is no "Google" or anything like it at this point, so I had to find answers elsewhere.

I found the message in one of the "comp" groups[10], "comp.sys.mac.programmer", as opposed to an "alt" group[11] like alt.best.of.internet. These names are how you navigated the massive hierarchy of information that Usenet represents. Just like with domain names today, you specify the name by adding more dot names.

In today's terms this could be expressed as a Lemmy community or a Reddit sub. And just like with those today, each Usenet group was a community with its "in" jokes, people who knew what they were talking about and those who didn't, the whole enchilada.

Anyway, I posted to the group and asked a question about how to achieve the thing I wanted to fix. I went home and the next day I had a reply .. from Brazil, where they too had discovered this issue and had found a solution.

It .. blew .. my .. mind.

This started me on the journey I'm still on today. There is plenty more to tell to cover the 34 years since then. Perhaps a story for another day.

I debated providing links to some of the things I mention, but given that links didn't exist in 1990, finding information was HARD, I thought it would be a nice 'meta' joke to include them.

Today I am going to do something much more mundane, set-up a backup job for a virtual server that was cloned from an older system, running a web-site and database on a cloud provider platform that I can use and access as-if it's sitting on my desk while it is thousands of kilometres away. If my fingers were small enough, I could do this from my mobile phone.

So, yeah, things have changed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Thank you so much for this information. Your passion is contagious. I'm going to dive into all of these sources in the morning!

Have a wonderful day/evening/night!