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If LGBTQ+ people serving to defend Ukraine don't receive better legal standing than they have right now, I would be opposed to letting Ukraine join the EU after the war.
The supposed western values Zelensky claims Ukraine is defending imo. include equal rights for Gender, Romantic and Sexual Minorities (GRSM)
My support during the war though is independent of that. Let Putin eat shit.
It's kinda a requirement for them to join anyway.
Recognition of foreign unions and adoptions, yes, I don't think there's anything about offering them yourself. It's not like being gay would be illegal in Ukraine, it's that only ten years ago social attitudes were quite negative towards queer folks but those have been changing at breakneck speed. Registered partnerships are in the pipeline and have majority support, marriage at least for now is out of the question because it'd require a change to the constitution and those aren't constitutional in war times.
@Enkrod I see where you are going, but Eastern Europe generally has a lot to go in order to get inclusion right. Like, right now, one of the two larger far right parties in here (yes, we have two and we sent them both to Brussels) are heavily promoting an initiative to add into constitution the fact that a family can only be composed of a man and a woman, as well as the right to pay with cash (yes, I know how crazy that sounds, it doesn't matter what happens in reality). And we're already in both the EU and NATO.
@Burstar
The Berlin Wall fell 35 years ago. Eastern Europe had 35 years to move their lazy asses on social issues. There is no excuse anymore.
Oh Ukraine absolutely should be allowed to join NATO asap!
But the failure of many EU states to defend the rights of their citizens doesn't mean we should let more people opposed to those rights join the Union. I firmly believe that the EU should be the shining beacon on the hill. That we come together to defend our rights, ensure peace and seek cooperation across the continent, but always, always in the pursuit of the lofty ideals of humanism, the enlightenment and social justice.
I am fighting the right at home, I have no intend to supply them with reinforcements.