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Solarpunk sounds likely doomsday prepper shit (beehaw.org)

submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I don't know where else to put this. I'm sorry if it's in the wrong place and will move it if it's not appropriate here.

Every time I read anything from so-called solarpunks, it reads like slightly left of centre ravings of doomsday preppers. They seem to love many of the same fascist talking points. For example, individualism self-sufficiency , which sounds a lot like the frontier cowboy fantasies of right-wing nutters. They promote what essentially is subsistence farming, which is a terrible way to live. There's a reason this kind of shit leads to famine in developing countries. An almost enthusiastic fantasy surrounding primitism and the loss of technology. There are so many issues, I could go on. Unless I'm missing something (possible) I don't see much appealing about solarpunk because it seems to have a delusional nostalgia for the "good old days", much in the way conservativism does.

Is it really as crackpot as it sounds? If not, what am I missing?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I think the main thing you're missing is when people are self-reliant, you don't hear about them.

Getting ready for a future of renewable energy, making society more sustainable, why are these things you resist?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Because what I see is knee-jerk reaction to tech and as you said, "self-reliance"which sounds like a cross between American exceptionalist frontier nonsense mixed with feudalism. It also parallels the anti-globalist wingnut paranoia. If that is supposed to be sustainability, no thanks. And no, I'm not an anarchist, I'm a socialist. Your ideals don't have a monopoly on a more sustainable future. It's like libertarians saying, "why do you hate freedom".

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You're really negative.

I didn't say they were my ideas, but you've ascribed them to me and insulted me in the same sentence.

Whatever better socialist future you're envisioning, that's great, let's work towards a better future for everybody

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I'm not negative, I'm skeptical. Also, where did I insult you?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Wingnut paranoia

Your ideas don't have a monopoly on a more sustainable future

So you're saying they're my ideas, and that their wing nut paranoid ideas. That's an insult and an attribution

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That wasn't my intention and the quote is out of context (you left out "sounds like") but if you want to be insulted, that's your perogative .

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think a reasonable interpretation of your previous comment, was that it was intended to be insulting, and combative. Perhaps I am mistaken, and I'm willing to entertain that.... But that's my reading

Communication is not what is intended, it is what is perceived.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So you go around and pick on other people too and try to force your opinion on them eh?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Good point

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

If it's just the naming you have issues with, countries talk about this all the time in terms of critical energy independence, that's solar punk at the nation state level