this post was submitted on 18 May 2024
1 points (100.0% liked)

Interesting Global News

2455 readers
161 users here now

What is global news?

Something that happened or was uncovered recently anywhere in the world. It doesn't have to have global implications. Just has to be informative in some way.


Post guidelines

Title formatPost title should mirror the news source title.
URL formatPost URL should be the original link to the article (even if paywalled) and archived copies left in the body. It allows avoiding duplicate posts when cross-posting.
[Opinion] prefixOpinion (op-ed) articles must use [Opinion] prefix before the title.


Rules

1. English onlyTitle and associated content has to be in English.
2. No social media postsAvoid all social media posts. Try searching for a source that has a written article or transcription on the subject.
3. Respectful communicationAll communication has to be respectful of differing opinions, viewpoints, and experiences.
4. InclusivityEveryone is welcome here regardless of age, body size, visible or invisible disability, ethnicity, sex characteristics, gender identity and expression, education, socio-economic status, nationality, personal appearance, race, caste, color, religion, or sexual identity and orientation.
5. Ad hominem attacksAny kind of personal attacks are expressly forbidden. If you can't argue your position without attacking a person's character, you already lost the argument.
6. Off-topic tangentsStay on topic. Keep it relevant.
7. Instance rules may applyIf something is not covered by community rules, but are against lemmy.zip instance rules, they will be enforced.


Companion communities

Icon attribution | Banner attribution

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Climate activists from Last Generation disrupted Munich airport by gluing themselves to a runway, leading to flight cancellations and delays over a busy weekend.

Archived version: https://archive.ph/OaVXl

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

a. self-mangling is a good way to discourage sympathy or participation b. disrupting a bunch of random travelers, and actually endangering them [...] not helpful in getting sympathy for the cause... just press coverage... which will be mostly negative. [...]
it's so fucking stupid and counter productive

The jury is still out on that. I've found research and surveys pointing in both directions. The positive and negative effects of such forms of protest are not sufficiently studied yet. Also historically, there are good examples for both.

Therefore, I wouldn't judge yet.

actually endangering them because planes are in the air and need to land

From what I know about that activist group, they always ensure safety. On street blockages, they make room for ambulances, they also inform emergency services.
I haven't looked it up for this case, but I can imagine, that they considered this.
I think, planes usually have enough fuel to land at another airport for such cases. There are emergency protocols for stuff like that anyway. So no one is really endagered here. Just inconvenienced.

c. there are a lot more direct ways to cause disruption, and a lot more sympathetic, less self-harming tactics to get press coverage

What do you have in mind?

e. did i mention it even fucks up the activists physically!!!

Not really though.
Despite that, every member knows the risk. They know what they are doing. They are not stupid and think about such protest actions thoroughly.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What do you have in mind?

i don’t need to present an alternative to glueing yourself to things….

the jury is not out on that… and i don’t really care about your opinions pretending like you’ve read research about how effective gluing yourself to things it….

it’s honestly pretty fucking evil of you to promote it.

nobody should hurt themselves to spread your political message.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

i don’t need to present an alternative to glueing yourself to things….

I've had this kind of talk a lot of times. And when it actually comes to "those alternatives", which critics say activists should pursue instead, one common reaction is silence, as they are lacking ideas about those.
I'll leave you with that.

the jury is not out on that…

As far as I know, it is. If there are new studies, which I don't know of and which come to a clear conclusion, I'd be thankful if you could link them here.

and i don’t really care about your opinions pretending like you’ve read research about how effective gluing yourself to things it….

Well, that's your decision. If you don't believe in facts, then don't. But then it's not surprising if people call you out on that, if you don't provide proof for your position.
If you're interested – which you don't seem to be – I'll happily share the studies, historical examples, reports and surveys I've collected on that topic.

it’s honestly pretty fucking evil of you to promote it.

I didn't promote it. Maybe you can explain what gave you the impression?

nobody should hurt themselves to spread your political message.

I agree that nobody should hurt themselves. Although I can understand if people see themselves driven to such measures out of desperation and/or in order to prevent worse.
Regarding that activist group "Letzte Generation", I couldn't find any reports about injuries due to glueing.

Also I wonder where you get the "your political message" from as I didn't make any statement about my political stance on that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

one common reaction is silence, as they are lacking ideas about those.

you’re an idiot.
i’m not taking your bait.
go glue yourself to something then, show me how much you’re not just talking out of your ass.
shill.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That took a very uncivilised turn.

Why are you so angry?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

No, did I make the impression?

I am just trying to understand you and have a civilised discussion with you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We seem to have reached a point where our conversation is no longer productive. As I value respectful and constructive dialogue, continuing appears no longer beneficial. Thank you for sharing your perspective. I hope we can engage more positively in the future, so let me know if you feel interested at some point in the future. Take care.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

how many times do i have to say it before you have gpt pretend to understand it?
no, sea lion, YOU have no intention to have a reasonable discussion

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

See above.

Until I see something which resembles a civilised and respectful response, showing an interest in continuing a discussion about the initial topic, I will no longer engage with you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

lol… pretending like you’re ending the conversation when i’ve been repeating that i do not intend to have some fake argument that you’re programmed to generate