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The distinction between China and United States is the Chinese state has a monopoly on information coming out of China that the United States doesn’t have. I’m free to point out when the state department says a bunch of bullshit in the US, Chinese citizens don’t have that same right
There's no monopoly, but the US certainly can control the narrative when it wants. Maybe you weren't alive for the lies about WMDs in Iraq. Or the Gulf of Tonken incident before that.
America lies about its enemies.
True. But you also found out they were lies, so...
Those lies killed millions of people...
Yes, and you know about them because the US is not that great at controlling "the narrative when it wants" which is what the topic of this discussion was before you realized you were wrong and tried to steer towards the number of killed people. Learn to stay on topic.
Yeah, I guess that's beside the point. It's just so horrific I got distracted.
I guess I'm just not really sure how "America gets caught when it lies" is proof that America is more trustworthy than China. Why is "yeah but you know they lied so it's fine" any kind of defense? And how does that prove China is somehow worse or less trustworthy?
It's because you made up these arguments. No one here said the things you're implying. Just read through the thread again. You're constantly twisting words.
By singling out China and ignoring everyone else America is implying they are uniquely untrustworthy.
If you are allowed to point out someones lies, they are more trustworthy than someone who you are not allowed to accuse of lying.
Ask Julian Assange about being allowed to point out US lies.
Just because the US gets caught doesn't mean it isn't also suppressing whistleblowers.
I was alive for the former but not the latter. I recall mass protests occurred for both incidents. It is a shame that more people didn’t see through the bullshit until after the fact but at the same time the government paid for these lies with eroded trust which makes it that much harder for them to sell a new lie in the future.
Yet you still trust America enough to tell you when China is lying, huh?
There's blind trust, and then there's trust with evidence. This is the latter, you seem to only understand the former.
No? I don't think we assume anything out of China is either true or false, we should try to look at it objectively and focus on the data.
Just assuming China is lying is wrong.
What if the only data you have available about China comes from the Chinese government? No liar will say they are lying.
So you just assume they're lying?
I’ve inspected enough of China’s foreign policy statements on my own to come to the conclusion that they aren’t trustworthy; I don’t need the US state department to tell me that.
Governments lie to save face or achieve their aims all the time. Authoritarian governments do it even more because there is even less accountability than there is in liberal democracies.
Okay, so why is America focusing on Chinese misinformation? Again, are they especially untrustworthy?
Because the bulk of China’s foreign policy goals are at odds with the United States’ foreign policy goals.
Fair enough, but I think that proves China's point - America treating China like an especially bad purveyor of misinformation is, itself, misinformation. They're just another country.