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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Their response is not irrational. They feel unrepresented by the system, so they would rather let it fall to pieces and fight, if it comes to that.

Except I was feeling them out for what is their ultimate goal, and at no point did they say anything about the whole system falling apart. You are trying to rationalize their actions, but it is, frankly, just irrational. But even if it were "let the whole system fall apart" that's also irrational because, chances are, it's not them that is going to come out on top. It will continue to be people who currently have the power.

The difference is that you wish to win, following the rules of the game. They want to change the game

Not mutually exclusive. I understand the game I am playing, and play with those rules, and act rationally within those rules. I understand that you don't change this by voting third party for president. I know that might feel good, like you are doing something, making your voice heard. But it's just pissing in the wind. If one wants to change this, it comes from the floor up, and it's something I do push locally as well.

In any case, rationality is often the enemy of action. A thousand people waiting until they have the definitively right direction end up doing little.

We do know the way forward, it's working from the ground up. It's getting our election system changed. No single president can change this, which is exactly why protesting the presidential election in this way is pointless.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

I've already said what i have to say. ..I doubt you've convinced them, but it's good you have a passion and are pressing that direction. I understand that you think their take is irrational. I don't think their take is irrational, though it's not how I view things. Same as with yours.

In any case, it's good you have a passion for a way forward, and it sounds like you're willing to pursue it. You'll still have to accept the existence of those who don't think like you, and who don't agree with you, and wish to live their lives their own way. You either make room for them, or you fight them - and it seems like you have other, more important battles, which have a higher likelihood of success than trying to stop someone from thinking the way they do.

Goodnight, and goodbye - say your final piece, and make it good for those who come after, since that's your real audience. Above all, though, I hope life is interesting and enjoyable for you.