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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I’ve been tracking the comments on all of this across various websites to see what people’s thoughts are. This genuinely might be the most contentious issue of our age. There are people who are vehemently pro Palestine and can dismiss the loss of civilian lives as’ what do you expect when people are pushed like this’ . Then others are hugely pro Israel and see this as an unprovoked attack by a terrorist group and any retaliation is justified.

I think everyone’s shitty here. Hamas is a terrorist organization. They use terrorist practices and target civilians. That’s a terrorist organization. There’s no discussion on that point. Israel is a right wing authoritarian state that regularly commits war crimes. The total Palestinian body count far exceeds the death toll from this attack by orders of magnitude so we can’t pretend like Israel was minding its own business and was attacked.

I don’t think you can point to one or the other as being the true hero or the true victim. It’s the greatest grey area of all time.

I absolutely condemn the Palestinians and Hamas for this act. I absolutely condemn the Israelis for their continued mistreatment and violence towards Palestinians. One will say they only act this way because of the behavior of the other. But at this point where does the original blame for all of it start and end.

The only thing that is certain is that there will be far more blood shed and every dead Israeli will be met with 10 dead Palestinians. I suspect this will be the turning point for this ongoing conflict. And in the future there may no longer be a Palestine as we know it. With the US protecting Israel no other Arab countries will dare intervene militarily. If the Israelis occupy Gaza it’s going to quickly become a quagmire with a never ending insurgency. It will be costly and in ten years Israel will be more unsafe then they were today.

There’s no good answers or good parties here. Just disgusting human nature and the consequences of half baked racist geopolitics from the 40s.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Which is why the Palestinians need to recognise the writing on the wall decades ago and pushed to settle somewhere else where it isn't a lost cause. They can't just keep turning their people into combatants and not expect to be suppressed for it.

Israel isn't going anywhere, it will take more than the Middle East to force them and even then, they already have nukes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Do you think a Palestinian passport makes countries welcome you with open arms?

Israel isn't going anywhere

Great, they should help out their Palestinian citizens who are obviously suffering.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You know why their passport is weak? Because everywhere they went and got absorbed into the general population, they fermented revolution against the country they were in.

They did it to themselves.

It's clear that Palestinians are not interested in peace with Israel, so why ask for help?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is racist and xenophobic. Undeniably so.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Explain how these facts are racist and xenophobic.

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