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The European Commission argues it was Europe's students and young graduates who were most affected by Brexit's mobility restrictions. The UK has reportedly responded cooly to the proposal.

The European Union is trying to improve mobility between its 27 member-states and the UK, particularly for people between the ages of 18 and 30. But whether such a proposal would be welcomed by London remains to be seen.

The EU's executive arm, the European Commission, is trying to open bloc-wide talks with the UK on allowing youth from EU countries to study or work and live in Britain for up to four years, with the same arrangement for British youth.

The proposal would largely revert youth mobility to pre-Brexit times, when members of the then-28-member EU, including Britain, were allowed to work and study without visa requirements. The Commission's new plan would involve a visa, but one whose fees would not be "excessive."

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 7 months ago (4 children)

As long as it's mutual, so 18-30 year old EU citizens can live and work in the UK with little restriction, I'm all for this. I imagine there may be people in the UK who will take issue with that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Here's a revolutionary idea: don't set an age limit!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Sunak already killed this, so it doesn't matter really. If it passed, it would have been a step towards re-establishing free movement for everyone.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Why restrict the ages? Looks like corporate vying for cheap labor.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

I see this as the EU moving pieces to influence the UK people to revert brexit in a generation (Bregret? Breback?). It benefits the demographic that was already against brexit and keeps the idea od Europe in their minds.

I doubt is for cheap labor. I work in London and in a team of 20 we have a single British, and the few in the company tend to have an easier path for leadership, so why leave? That has been similar in all my previous jobs.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 7 months ago (2 children)

A lot of people were given false hope that Brexit would magically solve all their problems. People now regret it.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 7 months ago (4 children)

I'd love if the UK could again be part of the EU. Brexit was the most damaging blow Russia did to Europe in the past 3 decades at least.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They won’t be allowed back under the same terms they had before the exit. For example every new member has to become part of the Eurozone and adopt the Euro. I definitely see this becoming a dealbreaker for British conservatives who love to have their ~~master~~ King on their currency

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Definitely agree the UK wouldn't get the same terms it had before but I think currency is probably something they could negotiate to keep.

The UK was before and hypothetically would be again one of the biggest economies in the EU and the politicians know what the symbolism of giving up currency would mean to the British.

I really just couldn't see them letting that stand in the way.

Having said all that, UK isn't going to be trying to join the EU for a while yet, if ever.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There is a reasonable amount of damage being done in Ukraine by Russia just now, but I understand where you are coming from.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

british people act like having slightly worse prices is worde than being bombed lol

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The thing is, that won't work well either. The UK had a very special position previously in the EU, like not adopting the Euro as currency and many other extra "perks" or whatever you want to call it. If they go back in they will likely not get any of those since otherwise it will look really bad for other countries that recently joined. Then people will be unhappy about joining again because it is not what they remembered. So, no, there is no winning with this one, damage is done.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

The best was the discounted membership. UK paid less than Italy. Populists have easy way with fools.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

100% agree. C'mon back lads. I'll buy the first round.

Surely a vote is warranted at this point. Maybe after the Tories get hoofed out.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

It's too raw and toxic for anyone to go near it. Labour will probably tinker around with the deals, maybe pull back on some of the super hard more insane stuff.

Once they've had a go and proved that neither party can make it work the conversation can start properly.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

To be honest, cleaning Russian influence out of politics would do most of Europe, not just the UK, a favour.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I often wonder how a country with the economy the size of Italy can have so many fingers in so many pies. Those pesky Russians seem to be everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Because they only have to start the fire, the native population does the rest. All Russia does is exploit historical cultural tensions within a country and fan the flames online. I've always said in the past that some of the research psychologists and sociologists have done over the last century or so was the equivalent of developing WMDs when it comes to psyops. Once a competent psyops department is equipped with how to manipulate people en masse, they can do crazy damage without firing a shot. The US and other countries have done the same thing to great effect.

Edit: I should point out that this form of psyops is most effective in countries with minimal censorship and liberal freedom of speech laws, i.e. most Western countries. That's why it isn't as effective when westerners attempt to do the same to countries like China, Russia, Iran, etc.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What's crazy is that it was revealed that the leave campaign was all intentionally lies and that it wasn't what people actually wanted and the government just said "too bad."

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What's crazier is Boris Johnson, Michael Grove, and the rest didn't face any repercussions for the lies.

They even still have their jobs in parliament!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

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