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There is nothing in the definition that says illegal is a derogatory term. Remember when you forgot about the word sometimes.
The first 3 words in the definition of illegal are "a person who". When I say illegal I'm referring to a person who has entered or resides in the US illegally.
There very much is, even if we limit our definitions to the one which you gave me. I pointed as much out to you 23 hours ago.
That isn't what that word means except as a slur which your very precious dictionary even cops to.
You still have not answered my inquest regarding how using an adjective as a noun to refer to a person could be anything other than dehumanizing as you still claim that it can potentially be.
The definition clearly says sometimes which means you have to use context to determine if it is used as a slur. The term illegal by itself is not a slur.
Illegal is a noun too, per the definition. Your question is invalid. I know you think you have some big gotcha bit you don't. Some words have more than one meaning there are so many of those words that a word was created to describe words that are prounounced and often spelled the same way but have different meanings, that word is homonym.
I asked you how it could not be and you have yet to offer an explination.
No it isn't.
When referring to people who entered or reside illegally in the country.
Merriam Webster's, Cambridge, Collin's, Oxford, dictionaries all defines it as a noun. I'll take their word over yours.
...you should probably refer to people, huh?
People is not discriptive enough, citizens, permanent residents, migrants, and illegals all fall into the people category. Illegal is used to convey the immigration status of a person.
Good for you finally letting go of the notion that illegal is only an adjective.
as a non-slur which you still have not explained how it can be.
Once again go back to the definition. Sometimes disparaging + offensive. Notice there's no mention of illegal being a slur. Sometimes is used to describe how often something happens it's between never and always. There are instances where illegal is used in a derogatory fashion and instances where it's not. You have to use context to figure it out. Context is part of a statement that surrounds a word and determines the word's meaning.
And since you have yet to explain how it can not be your claim that it is is unsubstantiated.
I am working under the assumption no one here—who purportedly all agree to "be excellent to each other"—is being intentionally despairing to their fellow human beings hense my continued confusion as to what "illegal" used (seemingly erroneously) as a noun means.
What claim is unsubstantiated?
That there can be a non-derogatory utilization of the adjective illegal to refer to a person with as though the word were a countable noun.
All that has been done is to post a dictionary entry which agrees that when it is used as a noun it is a slur—behavior I would not expect from one who has endeavored excellence toward their fellows.
You are really having a tough time with the word sometimes. When illegal is used as a noun sometimes it is derogatory + offensive.
Do you know what sometimes means?
You have yet to describe the times it is not.
If there "were no times it is not", the definition would not use the word sometimes .
Do you know what sometimes means?
If I said, "The sun sometimes rises in the east." that is a true statement, but not evidence that it ever does otherwise and if I wanted to claim "...and sometimes it rises in the west." I would still need to provide evidence other than stressing the "sometimes" in my first statement.
How can calling a person (and not actions) "illegal" be anything but derogatory?
Explain your west-rising sun, please.
What direction the sun rise is not binary, unlike if a statement is derogatory, the sun can rise in the east, north east, South east, North or south.
If the claim that the sun sometimes rises in east is true than the claim that the sun always rises in the east is false and so is that the claim the sun never rises in the east.
If the claim that illegal is sometimes derogatory is true then the the claim illegal is always derogatory or never derogatory is false.
No it isn't. Nothing about "sometimes" being true itself proves the corollary "always" is false.
Besides, you would think you could end this by giving the example to refuse to proffer of a non-derogatory use.
You're going to have to provide examples where sometimes means always.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/sometimes
on some occasions but not always or often illegal can be derogatory.
There is no way you'll be honest about the statement. You've all ready stated it's a slur no matter how it's used.
I'm not the one making the claim here, you are.
You keep claiming illegal is always derogatory even though the definition states otherwise.
The definition does not indicate it can be not derogatory—which makes sense because it's derogatory.
You despite claiming sans evidence that it is possible to refer to a human being with a pejorative adjective and it be anything other than derogatory, won't even back up your claim with a single non-derogatory example of its use.
I get why you won't—'cause you can't—but if you were right you'd think You could give an example rather than litigating the implied corollaries to "sometimes".
It does that what sometimes means. They would use the word always or possiblly omit it and state illegal is derogatory. They instead use sometimes.
If you can't be honest about the definition of the word sometimes then why would you be honest about if the statement is derogatory.
Tell you what, if you can show when sometimes indicates something always happens I'll give an example.
"Sometimes" is different than "Sometimes although not always"
That I why I had to use different words to type the two different concepts.
Your definition only listed the first, which does not inherently indicate the second.
That's a common mistake to think that but sometimes and not always have the same meaning. Your mistake is so common that there are many articles highlighting this redundancy.
https://brians.wsu.edu/2016/05/31/sometimes-always/
The link you offered does not seem authoritative.
The example it proffered of:
Makes perfect sense.
Are you going to keep litigating "Sometimes inherently means sometimes not" or are you going to provide an example of a non-pejorative use of referring to a human being as though they themself were illegal?
I think a PHD in comparative literature is more than authoritative enough.
https://brians.wsu.edu/
The quote was from a series of entries entitled "Common Errors in English Usage"
I'm sure it makes sense to you, there are many people that make that mistake.
Here's another link. I'm still waiting for any link that shows sometimes can mean always.
https://www.beedictionary.com/common-errors/sometimes_not_always_vs_sometimes_vs_not_always
Here's another link to help you understand the difference between sometimes and always.
https://linguodan.com/en/difference-adverbs-frequency-en/
I'm happy for you ...or sorry that happened.
That's alot of words which notably are not an example of the adjective "illegal" being used as though it were a noun to describe a human being and it not being derogatory.
Come on, bill Clinton. You just gonna yap about what "is" is or you gonna prove your point? Make with the example.
Don't get upset, lots of people have issues understanding how sometimes is used. I have a lot of trouble understanding the nuances of a 2nd language.
Looks like you've ran out of excuses, and moved to name calling. I've provided definitions of illegal and sometimes. Showing that illegal can be used as a noun and sometimes that the use of illegal as a noun is not derogatory.
Are you still on this? You went in circles so I left.
Still no example, huh?
If you have trouble understanding what sometimes means then an example will go way over your head.
You're welcome to show me where sometimes can mean always.
No I get it, you can't prove your point. You don't have to keep running around with dictionaries that don't prove your point to impress me. It doesn't change my view of you at all to know you're wrong.
I'm sorry you have trouble understanding simple words like sometimes. A dictionary is the only way to educate you on its meaning. Your willfully ignorant view that sometimes can mean always is the crux of the problem.
If you're not making with the example you insist exist I'm not even gonna read your posts as they're a waste of time.