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Pardon me for not finding “vulnerable people need to die for my ideology” very convincing. (mbin.grits.dev)

submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I can understand looking back to them for some useful stuff. "Commieblock" housing served a purpose at the time, for example. They brought huge masses of people into an urban environment with indoor plumbing, electricity, and climate control, which were not a given in their previous living situations. They were meant as an interim solution to last a few decades. For what they set out to do, they were a great success. The only problem was that the followup to better options was never done.

But the Leninist/Maoists can never leave it at pulling out successes like that. It's almost always "America bad", "Holodomor isn't real", or "Cuba only sucks because of sanctions".

[+] [email protected] -8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

you kinda had me in the first half, ngl.

america is bad, research by anticommunist historians after the fall of the soviet union lead to the irrefutable conclusion that holodomor isn't real (holodomor means intentional genocidal famine, not just that there was a famine that lots of people died in) and cuba has problems but the main reason it sucks is because of sanctions.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Famine because of bad policy is not a win, either. That's the best case interpretation. However, there are plenty of tankies who will tell you there were no mass deaths at all.