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Most communication is propaganda to some degree, you'll need to be more specific in the particular viewpoint you have here if you want a useful response.
Prove that god exists and i'll immediately get on to finding out what they do or do not allow.
Just so we're clear, faith isn't proof, in fact its definition is almost universally "belief, in the absence of proof"
Lots of people believing also doesn't equal more factually correct, it just means more people believe.
Correct, you have accurately described physical objects, not a single one of which i have denied the existence of.
If you could point out which one of those is the physical manifestation of a being that "would or would not allow" something then we can get on to the conversation part.
Just in case there's any confusion, i'm all aboard the " organised religion is mostly bullshit people doing horrific things on a large scale over even longer time frames" train.
Note the "organised", it's important.
Also the "religions are just socially acceptable cults" train.
It might seem like I'm on two trains but in reality it's a venn diagram in the shape of a train and it's basically a complete overlap.
The above wasn't addressing any of the points so I'm not sure how it relates to this one either, but feel free to let me know.
I genuinely think you are misunderstanding what was being said here, intentionally or otherwise.
Just in case it's unintentional, I'll try again, but with more describing.
The vs statement was used as an illustration of the difference between the description of a tangible manifestation of a being vs the description of actions of a groups of people with "belief" in a being.
One of those things is a "being"/manifestation performing an action, the other is a group performing actions due to a shared belief or "construct".
Also the first "quote i used" was from the original post, the second was a comparative example, neither of which i was stating as fact, purely as a demonstrative example.
Nope. The onus is not on me to prove that God exists as I'm not the one using God to substantiate claims.
I hope this is not difficult to understand.
No, you claimed that religion is, as social constructs go, somehow less real than all the other social constructs that are equally observable around us - do you need me to remind you?
Here.
Atheists are always the first to purport themselves as (pardon the pun) God's gift to "rational thinking"... yet their (supposed) "rational thinking" falls apart rather quickly under investigation.
Not big on history, are you?
You really are obsessed with God's existence (or lack thereoff), aren't you? I guess I had a hard time following because it's not something I care about in any way whatsoever. It seems that this differentiates me from atheists, doesn't it?
So, in summary, you just want to argue with people about things.
They could just be deeply confused about how a conversation generally works?
Pretty sure they just need to argue to feel good about themselves