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    As if we need another reason to switch to GNU/Linux (lemmy.ca)
    submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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    [–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Realistically, though, that's no different from blaming climate change on plastic straws.

    [–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    Except plastic straws aren't actively hunting marine creatures.

    Domesticated cats are not native to north america and western Europe, and people should be more responsible in how they care for their pets, especially the ones that are invasive fucking species.

    Also, 2 things can be true. It's possible that bird populations are being decimated by ecological destruction as well as the mass breeding and free roaming of invasive predators introduced by humans.

    Edit: clarified that I meant domesticated cats

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

    Wild Cats Of North America:

    Bobcat

    Canada Lynx

    Puma / Mountain Lion / Cougar

    Ocelot

    Jaguarundi

    Jaguar

    Margay

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

    I was specifically referring to domesticated cats not being native to these regions since that was what is being discussed.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

    I'd argue a housecat and a bobcat share a similar ecological niche. Haven't the housecats simply replaced the bobcats that were largely removed by humans?

    [–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

    "Cats are not native to north america and western Europe"

    You're just wrong, at least about the Europe part. There's literally a species known as the Scottish Wildcat. And last I checked, Scotland was in western Europe.

    Can Americans stop spreading patently false information based on their Amero-centric worldview? Please and thank you.

    [–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    Fantastically, a wild cat isn't a domestic cat! Wow! Who knew!

    Stop thinking that things that make you feel bad about your world view are "patently false information based on an amero-centric worldview". Please and fucking thank you

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

    Facts and sources, better downvote because that doesn't match my vibes about my outdoor cats lmfao

    [–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

    You edited your comment, so don't get snarky about me not accounting for an edit you made after I replied.

    Anyways,

    I mentioned wildcats because they are similar to domestic cats and the existence of them here disprove the "it's not their natural habitat" talking point.

    The Scottish Wildcat is so overwhelmingly similar to the domestic cat that they can interbreed.

    And this fact might entertain you: both types of wildcat mentioned are considered Felis Silvestris. They're really not that different.

    I don't care about some American publication talking about cats as that is obviously going to be specific to America, and it's claims of invasiveness do not apply to many other places, or are such a small concern it's not considered.

    Here's a UK source, a bit more applicable to where I live:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20200206053916/www.rspb.org.uk/birds-and-wildlife/advice/gardening-for-wildlife/animal-deterrents/cats-and-garden-birds/are-cats-causing-bird-declines/

    That's the checks notes Royal Society for the Protection of Birds noting that cats are not causing issues for bird populations. Give it a read.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    I edited one word of my comment because I had another reply from someone who misunderstood what I was referring to, so i clarified so there wouldnt be further confusion, not to give myself an excuse to be snarky.

    • I've read the article you've provided a number of times previously and while yes, it does indicate that there is no scientific evidence for my claim, it is limited to the UK.

    • I don't see what interbreed-ability has to do with invasiveness?

    I don't care about some American publication talking about cats

    • I provided 3 sources, one was American, the others were from Oxford (also in the UK last I checked) and Tillburg (Netherlands), both discussing the EU broadly

    • Here is another study from the checks notes British Ecological Society which concludes in part

    "...It is also well established that free-ranging cats pose a significant threat to biodiversity conservation and restoration worldwide, and that remedying this threat is relatively easy when compared to other drivers of biodiversity loss..."

    If you're not going to read the evidence I'm providing, while saying I'm only providing americentric evidence, then I'm going to respectfully abandon this thread. I apologize for the snark, that was uncalled for.

    Edit: formatting only

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

    Except plastic straws don't really do anything to accelerate climate change and cats can decimate bird populations