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Do you think that lacking material conditions under captalism is what prevents many people from getting into relationships or finding partners and or friends in general? (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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So there is a loneliness epidemic caused by capitalist alienation. However, I wonder if lack of material conditions also adds to this. I just keep seeing lots of my broke guy friends depressed because they can’t find a partner and it is so hard for them to meet new people. This makes me wonder if their financial situation is the main reason.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Could be the rarer-in-comparison potential for some women to paradoxically demand toxic behaviors out of men in their relationships, or worse(which I have personal experience with), women performing the same kind of lack-of-consent, 'if you don't want to fuck you're less of a man/a b[redacted]/a f[redacted], this that and the third' flavor nonsense-- F.D. Signifier has spoke on this a little, but always clarified that it is way rarer than the male-spurred exercise of toxic masculinity; so I rly don't know how much bearing this notion of "women toxic masculinity"(sic) has on the issue.

Either way, I consider it an issue less pertinent to politics and more to interpersonal dynamics, which all those factors are FUBAR right now mostly because a still-substantial percentage of men aren't willing to work on themselves in ways to actively dismantle the toxic paradigms they're living with.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's also the disturbing rise of "femcel" groups like /r/FemaleDatingStrategy, which seems to mirror the toxic ideology and tactics of incels. A large part of that is basically women doing the PUA thing to get a trophy husband, though that's largely in economic terms (salary might be prioritized over looks).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You mean to tell me that wasn't just a false-flag bit the incels were perpetuating? Those are fuckin real?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh yeah, classic case of "the dream of the oppressed is to become the oppressor". I went through that subreddit a while back and was shocked to see how toxic and fucked up a mirror they'd made of incels.

Lots of advice on abusive relationship tactics and how to be effectively controlling and manipulative. It read like a bunch of sociopaths trying to outdo the redpillers. I sympathized somewhat because I got the sense that many of them were victims of abuse and considered it a way to ensure they wouldn't be victimized again.

Serious "fight fire with fire" vibes.

Edit: Looks like that subreddit is dead now, and they've moved on to another platform. Maybe they were risking a ban due to all the rabid transphobia.

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