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"No, seriously. All those things Google couldn't find anymore? Top of the search pile. Queries that generated pages of spam in Google results? Fucking pristine on Kagi – the right answers, over and ov (pluralistic.net)

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"No, seriously. All those things Google couldn't find anymore? Top of the search pile. Queries that generated pages of spam in Google results? Fucking pristine on Kagi – the right answers, over and ov

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago (21 children)

Google stopped indexing all websites without SSL certificates in July 2018.

For example, darklyrics.com is a website I and many others grew up using as a resource to understanding lyrics. They've stubbornly not gotten an SSL because they transact 0 data beyond band name searches. However, without an SSL, they do not show up in Google search results.

This is one of literally millions of examples. Some more reasonable than others, but it still was a massive blow to the efficacy of their search.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (10 children)

Hmm I hate Google as much as the next guy and am actively trying to de-Google myself, but I'm not sure I can get behind the outrage here. Certificates are free and easy to obtain with LetsEncrypt, so there's really no excuse for sites not to accept unencrypted traffic these days. I'm sure Google does lots of things to delist the small guys and promote their big payers, but I don't think this is one of them.

[+] [email protected] -10 points 7 months ago (9 children)

Free certificates expose your subdomains. It's not more secure if you don't transact data in a meaningful way such as the example I provided.

I don't mean to insinuate that the example I provided is the majority of cases, and in the majority of cases, I do support sites with SSLs being indexed higher than websites without them, but I think the interstitial this website is not secure with the requirement of the advanced click followed by The continue anywaysclick...

Idk

Especially in 2018. Like, when we look at it from today's perspective, it's very easy to agree. And I do agree. But in 2018, it was not this way. Anyone who was a web developer with a bunch of clients, such as myself, was all the sudden in a very interesting hot seat. Not only did I need to try to upsell my clients, but I needed to convince them that not doing so was quite literally at their peril. It was difficult. And certain cases, it was impossible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

While I agree the issue you raise does make sense in some situations, it derivates from the initial concern : if you don't want your domain listed in a DNS record you certainly don't want it to be indexed by a search engine :p

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