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Some do, but that's the main attraction on their business where they loan weapons and let you shoot with them. Vast majority of ranges however are just a place in the middle of nowhere, some even without any kind of electricity and often they go days or even weeks without anyone visiting. Most of those places don't have any kind of winter maintenance either. So if you were forced to leave your firearm there there would be very little of stopping someone malicious visiting with heavy tools and breaking into every safe on site.
If you own enough land you can apply for an permit for yourself. You're correct that vast majority of them are granted to parties and associations, but strictly speaking you don't have to join one.
By yourself. You can train with a air pistol and all you need is to prove that you're an active hobbyist. In practice you need to have a certified weapons trainer to prove your word and some of them might not sign the certificate if you're not a part of their association, but it's not a strict rule nor something required by law.
We have a freedom of association and that includes freedom of not associating with anyone. I'm not a member of any kind of sport shooting clubs as there's none around here and that's not a problem. Sure, you need to find out a certified trainer who trusts your shooting diary, but that's it. And 'valid reason' is as good an explanation as any. Your hobby is target shooting? You can apply for a license with that. Your hobby is hunting? Same thing. You're a farmer and need a weapon in case you need to kill one of your cows/wild hogs in case it injured itself and/or is a threat to safety? Sure. And if you happened to be a farmer in the 70's you could get a permit for semi-automatic .22lr pistol for pest control, but I don't think that's a valid reason anymore.
So, with that in mind, I'd be very surprised if the gun used in today's tragedy were illegal but as the media has already covered, it was a legally licensed firearm, so there's no point of speculating with that any further.
Oh yeah there are two type of ranges in the Finnish law, and I'm talking about the non-passive one. I didn't consider an ampumarata to be a "range" if you can get the difference in connotation, despite the word being the exact same thing. Most ranges are sort of the "type II", which is what I grew up shooting on as well. The type that you'd find in a hunting community.
I visited a few different ones though, military and civilian, and the civilian ones which usually host sport shooting also have storage licensed by the police. If you do shooting and there's a storage at the place you do the shooting, then taking the gun home would be literally unnecessary travel with it, which is — according to law — to be avoided.
Similarly as hunters would only carry weapons in their car when they're coming from or going to hunt, but having a rifle in your boot when you're just out shopping would be illegal, unless you were taking it to be fixed or something other. Again, the subjective nature of the wording of the law allows for a lot of things, but only if you have the valid need.
By law, no, but in practice, you do. That's sort of the thing that's been my point.
You can't just tell the cops "no but seriously, I've been practicing with an air gun in my backyard, trust me bro".
https://www.ampumaurheiluliitto.fi/liitto/jasenpalvelut/aselupaneuvonta/
And the same in English:
Yeah, like I said, technically, in law, there is no DIRECT requirement to be in an association, but IN PRACTICE, there is. You say:
But really, can you find me a single one who'd certify you without having been a part of the association? In the current climate? Seriously? I do not for one second believe you'll find a person like that and you'd still need to verify all the times you've practiced, not just a single certification of "he's good". That's not something you can do for yourself in your backyard.
You get a vet, not a gun. Good luck getting a pistol for execution as a farmer without being a hunter. Regards, someone who was born in a village of hunters and farmers.
I'm getting more and more doubtful that you actually have a license for any sort of firearm.
edit here's one more bit from that earlier link:
>Satunnaista maaliin ampumista ei kuitenkaan voitaisi pitää momentissa tarkoitettuna ampumaharrastuksena, vaan ampumaharrastuksen tulisi käsittää jonkin sellaisen lajin aktiivista harrastamista, jossa järjestetään kilpailuja
>Random shooting at a target, however, could not be considered a shooting hobby as referred to in the paragraph, but a shooting hobby should include the active pursuit of a sport in which competitions are organized
That's what I feel like you're talking about by "training yourself" essentially, and that sort of thing is rather explicitly mentioned
Obviously, but you conveniently didn't quote the part where I said you need a signed proof from a licensed weapons trainer.
I can. Multiple even, a phone call away. But in here you just of course have to 'trust me bro', I'm not going to prove that just for the sake of random conversation over the internet.
I know several. Coming from someone currently living in a village of hunters and farmers. Obviously many of them are hobbyist hunters as well, but you don't get a permit for 9mm pistol for duck hunting.
I don't care. The law, and my very real world experience, says that you don't need to be a part of any association or club to get a permit regardless of the weapon type, as long as you otherwise qualify to have one.