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That something sounds like bullshit does not mean that it is bullshit. I mean, I believe we should look at the data and the research. I did hear something about the role of gut bacteria but it was more about issues like depression. Might be interesting to check out further. Thank you.
I am not saying people should not fight their cravings. But the cravings of someone who is obese might be very different from someone who has a normal weight. Like I said, if you get below the setpoint often appetite will go up. Considering that most obese people are not able to lose significant weight in the long term, these cravings seem to be too strong and it seems to make people unable to "just eat less". So, we need a solution for that.
I am not sure whether this is what you are referring to, but I know about this study that says that prenatal exposure to famine in early gestation increases the risk of obesity.
You talk about cravings caused by you dont know while also saying what i heard our gut biome causing that affect sounds like bullshit. Im no expert on anything, but i used to listen to podcast everyday. I believe i learned about our gut biome and the bacteria in it from a licensed diatrician rhonda patrick. Despite the hacking scandle, shes the person who did 23andme.
You act like your set points are something other then a rationale explanation. Im not saying what i have gone through is set in stone, but i personaly went from 300+ lbs down to 190lbs, then back up to 300+lbs when i was let go during covid. Ive been fat, lost it and became fat again. Its 100% eating habits, at least for me, which can be explained by gut boime causing cravings because i could tell the difference of my cravings.
And no that study is not what i was talking about. I did not even have to look at it because you said its the cause obesity
Thanks for the name. I will check out Rhonda Patrick and see what research I can find on the topic. I thought you were calling the different theories bullshit, but maybe I misunderstood you and you only meant to say that they sound like that. If that is the case, I apologize. I got so much negativity just for mentioning the research that I might have responded too harshly.
I am sorry to hear that you are struggling with weight so much. I think obesity has to do with eating habits. However, there is a reason for why you have this eating habits. One reason for that could be gut microbiome.
What often happens is that people just get angry with themselves for eating too much. And that anger might help in the short term to force yourself to eat less, but in the long term it will not work and it will just make you feel bad about yourself. However, if you look at the actual underlying causes, such as gut microbiome or setpoint theory, this might provide the insight needed for long term weight loss without the extent of suffering that most obese people have to endure.
It is the only study I know about this. I checked it out, because I have a lot of people with anorexia in my family as well as some people with eating disorders causing obesity. I thought maybe being anorexic and pregnant is similar for your body as being in famine and pregnant. So, that is why I know about this study.
Firstly, the study i remember that looked at starving people were more about ww2 survivors i belives. There hasnt been a whole lot of mass starvings where people came out alive other than that.
On to your set point thing, no i do kinda believe its bullshit. But thats because i hear your thoughts, and instantly thing its just a side effect of some something i learned about years ago that makes more sense to me.
Also i dont need pity about being over weight, despite being over 300 lbs, i dont look too over weight, im thankfull i spent years i construction toning my body, and some how it not ad bad as i was when i was a teenager. Im not sure why but i dont actually look as fat as what other 300lsb people look. I live with my younger cousin who weighs 30 lbs more then me but looks vastly bigger. But he never lost weight or worked in extreme conditions like i have. So honestly i dont know the reason.
My last point is, you kinda sound like an ai, no offense if you're not, but you come across as very absorbing and completion, like you took in what i said and immediately ran with it. Most people online dont do that. And just in general the way you typed things out just feels ai-y once i had that thought.
I am not an AI. I am not sure how to prove that, but I am not. I am a scientific researcher, but in another field than the medical field. Maybe my scientific background shows in the way I communicate? Also, English is not my native language, so that might be why I sound different as well.
The reason I checked out so much research on obesity (as well as on being underweight) is that many of my family members suffer from eating disorders. I lost my little sister to anorexia a couple of years ago and my mother had it. However, some of my family members are obese as well, also due to eating disorders. I think trying to understand why people eat in a certain way and to help them instead of just judging them, might change things. And for me, scientific work and data is the best way to understand things. Maybe that gives you a bit of understanding where I am coming from and why I am interested in this subject.
If something is the result of research, it cannot just be called bullshit and set aside. It is not just another opinion that you can just decide to disagree with, considering the care that usually has been taken to reduce bias and ensure validity. Of course, research can be wrong and it is important to have a scientific debate. However, such a debate should be based on clear reasoning and arguments and other research results.
I was not pitying you. I was being compassionate. There is a difference between the two. I tried to be kind and understanding. That's all.
Edit: I also wanted to mention that the study I linked refers to a study on women who were pregnant during the famine in WWII in the Netherlands. Maybe that is what you meant.
Multiple times on Reddit and Lemmy, people have accused me of being an AI. I just don't get it. Is it because I have good grammar, spelling and punctuation skills?
One guy was so convinced that even when I took a photo of myself (partial face blacked out) holding up a napkin with both of our usernames on it- I was bored- he said it was photoshopped.
You can't convince crazy people, and someone who thinks they're having a legitimate conversation like this with an AI is crazy.
I think the person who thought I was an AI explained it quite well. Thet said they just got jaded. However, they believed me when I told who I was and apologised. I appreciate it when people are able to revise their idea and it shows they did not have bad intentions.
I would not say people are crazy, there is a lot of manipulation going on on the internet by businesses and some governments. I think a lot of people fall for bots all the time. For example, Twitter and Reddit is full of them. So, I do not think it is that weird that people sometimes are not sure whether they are talking to AI.
What happened to you when you even showed pictures of yourself and they still were convinced you were AI is quite extreme. I hope that that does not happen too often, because that seems like the other person is either a troll or paranoid.
I apologize for saying the whole ai thing. Because frankly, how precise you responded and how well you accepted anothers ideas came off as very strange compared to the typical internet interaction. I migjt just be too jaded to accept someome online as being a knowledge person without questioning it.
Its saddening to hear about your family's struggles. Again im sorry for downplaying your word to start with, but i will recommend you look more into the gut biome. Im not a researcher or sicenitist, i worked in construction and rebuilding peoples homes most of my working life. But i always had an intrest in health.
Thank you, I appreciate that very much. I try to be accepting of other ideas and to be understanding. But sometimes it is difficult for me too. Especially if I get many negative reactions and I do not completely understand why (I do not mean you, but some of the other people that responded to me). Then I get defensive as well, even though I try not to be.
Your work sounds nice and very useful! As a researcher, I know a lot about a very small set of subjects. Sometimes, I am wondering whether I am actually contributing enough and whether what I am doing is actually useful. When you are building homes, at least it is very clear who you are helping and how they benefit from it. I would not be able to do it. I have two left hands, as we say in my language. I am not good with the practical stuff, I am only good with theory.
In any case, thank you for the discussion. I checked the gut microbiome out a little bit already and there is a lot of scientific work on it. Very complex and very interesting! I am looking forward to delving into that. I hope you have a nice day (or evening depending on the time where you are).