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Industrialization happened because of capitalism.
Industrialization in the USSR didn't happen? Damn. Where did all those nuclear power plants come from, then? What about that massive agricultural surplus? How did they develop their own computer technologies?
I’m amazed that you chose the three worst things you could have picked from the USSR. They literally stole their nuclear tech from the capitalists, did not believe in genetics, period, and created famines from their poor understanding of environmental science and lack of flexibility (Gigantic centralized serf farms are bad if the local weather isn’t ideal! , and their computers were trinary garbage that barely functioned.
Soviets had a hydrogen bomb before their Western peers.
What's more the world's first nuclear power station at Obninsk was connected to the Moscow grid in June of 1954. The Soviets outpaced their American peers in nuclear power, rocketry, and advanced electronics well into the 1970s.
That's flatly untrue. And it completely neglects their role in eliminating smallpox during the 1950s.
https://www.nytimes.com/1983/01/09/world/cia-says-soviet-can-almost-do-without-imports.html
They ended famine in Asia. A continent that suffered mass famine every ten to fifteen years was fully fed through domestic agricultural production by the end of the 1960s.
Stalin was so stacked with grain in the 50s that he was bailing out the English colonies throughout India and Bangledish.
Lol, no steam engines without stealing from the worker, got it. 🙄
I mean, around that time, I'm pretty sure steam engines were literally considered 'stealing from the worker'.
The same with many other forms of mechanisation.
It's not that the luddites were wrong, just that they were easily beaten, because humans can't compete.
There are critics and cynics, but the same is happening now around AI.
There's not a worker in the world who will vote away their own job.
Unchecked control of the workers for industry will harm us all. We don't need socialism we need strong unions.
The fuck are you talking about? This happens all the time.
No it doesn't, historically people have literally burned down factories and assaulted those who were replacing their jobs.
There's not a factory in the world with any significant number of workers that find some new innovation that makes all those workers obsolete where the workers go "oh yeah, let's do that"
There are absolutely zero incentives for a worker too to support such a thing. If you think they're going to somehow magically vote against their own interest and act in favor of the common good no matter the situation....
Well that's very socialist thinking from you.
Literally every Red state in the US is a a group of people voting away their own jobs.
Have you missed the Republican opposition to climate change? Have you missed Republican opposition to globalization in recent years?
Those didn't come out of thin air. They come out of many towns across the country whose entire economy once relied on things like mining coal and heavy dirty industry which was all shipped out to China. They are 100% voting in favor of their jobs still.
Also remember that under socialism we are not talking about country level decisions, we are talking about factory level decisions which will largely be decided by the workers. Unless an issue becomes important enough that it becomes a nationwide issue that gets a vote for the larger popular vote, 90% of technologies are going to get trashed.
bro lemmy.ml is that way ->