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Real-world CO2 emissions of cars are 20% higher than indicated. For plug-in hybrids they are 350% higher. (climate.ec.europa.eu)
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It's not a typo: plug-in hybrids are used, in real word cases, with ICE much more than anticipated.

In the EU, fuel consumption monitoring devices are required on new cars. They studied over 10% of all cars sold in 2021 and turns out they use way more fuel, and generate way more CO2, than anybody thought.

The gap means that CO2 emissions reduction objectives from transport will be more difficult to reach.

Thruth is, we need less cars, not "better" cars.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

With a quick google I've found that subsidies for plug in hybrids can be around €5,000, and yes I do believe that people would be lazy enough to not plug it in. I'm not sure how many dollars one would save by doing this in Europe anyway.

But also, it's just a suggestion, I'm not asserting that this is definitely true.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

A quick google also shows that for instance the price difference between the Hyundai Ionic hybrid vs plug in was about €6000 so while thouse subsidies would come close to covering the difference you would still be paying more to then pay even more by not plugging it in.

I also really don’t think 90% of people are willing to throw that many hundreds of euros away just to avoid the few seconds it takes to plug something in.