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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

more cutting edge than Debian

In what aspect? How about Debian Unstable?

I'm personally on Stable but I do also have some AppImages (and recently discovered AM https://github.com/ivan-hc/AM thanks to someone here), my own ~/bin directory and quite a few tools. I feel that there are very few things from an end-user standpoint that needs to done only through the distribution package manager. I believe having a stable OS but "cutting edge" specific apps (say Cura, Blender, etc) is a good compromise. As you mention Firefox over a PPA (which is also have I have) is such a good compromise. So I'm curious (genuinely, not trying to "convert" you to Debian on desktop) what is better on that front on Ubuntu rather than Debian.

Edit: to clarify I both pay my bills (literally, and work too) and play (including recent VR Windows only games) on my Debian stable on desktop.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Seems Snikket container behind proxy isn't a properly documented setup despite https://snikket.org/service/help/advanced/reverse_proxy/ so I didn't manage either.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

a shortage of meaningful innovation

Well... a distribution IS a selection of packages and a way to keep them working together. Arguably the "only" innovation in that context is HOW to do that and WHICH packages to rely on. For the first, the "latest" real change could be considered immutable distributions, as on the SteamDeck, and declarative setup, e.g. NixOS. For the second... well I don't actually know if anybody is doing that, maybe things like PrimTux for kids at schools in France?

Anyway, I agree but I think it's tricky to be innovative there so let me flip the question, what would YOU expect from an innovative distribution?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Funny, exactly what I mentioned in another thread https://lemmy.ml/post/21238446/14210360

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well... I started a GitPod instance few minutes ago and... it's still not up so that's not a great sign, cf https://github.com/RocketChat/Rocket.Chat/issues/33537 .

Trying Snikket on my server now. Curious to read about suggestions from others.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (7 children)

That's why I moved back to Debian few weeks ago. I'm checking this thread and article precisely to see what I'm missing and... arguably not much. If it's "just" updates of some applications without any meaningful change, I don't really see the appeal anymore.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'd happily give technical advice but first I need to understand the actual need.

I don't mean "what would be cool" but rather what's the absolute minimum basic that would make a solution acceptable.

Why do I insist so much? Well because installing a distribution, e.g. Debian, takes less than 1h. Assuming you have a separate /home directory, there is no need to "copy" anything, only mounting correctly. If it is on another physical computer then the speed will depend on the your storage capacity and hardware (e.g. SSD vs HDD). Finally "configuring" each piece of software will take a certain amount of time, especially if you didn't save the configuration (which should be the case).

Anyway, my point being that :

  • installing the OS takes little time
  • copying data across physical devices take a lot more time
  • configuring manually specific software takes a bit of time

So, if you repeat the operation several times a week, investing time to find a solution can be useful. If you do this few times a year or less, it's probably NOT actually efficient.

So, again, is this an intellectual endeavor, for the purpose of knowing what an "ideal' scenario would be or is it a genuine need?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Depends entirely what they are doing with it. If they are using services with DRM, e.g. Netflix or Disney+ I bet you will be out of luck because that pulls out an entire ecosystem, driven by Google, which is based on selling ads.

"not realistic to propose rpi and more complex systems"

If they have to install it, probably not. If they have to plug it on the HDMI port, power and optionally Ethernet honestly things like LibreElec or Kodi are pretty well done. Heck even a very young kid (talking not even 5y/o) can manage that (I've seen it, repetitively) or even start VLC to connect to DLNA server as long as it's properly setup.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is the market place, brah.

...

Free market capitalism

then talk about subsidies or non capitalist country controlling the currency, markets, VCs, etc.

What does that even mean?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

If you were implying that I said being funded by Alphabet/Google was a good thing then let me be explicit, I did NOT say that nor believe it to be the case. Now, once again, cf my actual comment about pragmatic better alternative we can rely on and support today. If you meant to suggest better and are supporting that, please do share.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago

I thought saying

contribute however they can up to their own capabilities

was actually very clear but seems I wasn't clear enough so that means... literally doing ANYTHING except only criticizing. That can mean being an open-source developer, yes, but that can also means translation, giving literally 1 cent, etc. It means doing anything at all that would not ONLY be saying "this is good, but it's not good enough" without doing actually a single thing to change, especially while actually using another free of charge browser that is funded by advertisement. Honestly if that's not clear enough I'm not sure what would be ... but please, do ask again I will genuinely try to be clearer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (9 children)

I hope everybody criticizing the move either do not use products from Mozilla or, if they do, contribute however they can up to their own capabilities. If you don't, if you ONLY criticize, yet use Firefox (or a derivative, e.g. LibreWolf) or arguably worst use something fueled by ads (e.g. Chromium based browsers) then you are unfortunately contributing precisely to the model you are rejecting.

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