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طب وأنا عربي كمان بس ولا عمري رح احكيلك انو فاهم اشي من القران لانو لغة القران مش لغتنا وحتى العربي الي بدو يدرس الدين لازم سنة وهو بدرس عربي بس عشان عن جد يفهم وأنا مش فاهم عربي لهالدرج وإذا أنا مش شيخ مش عارف كيف انت بدك تفهم هيك منيح لتعمل فتوى للناس

Aha and which translation did you choose?

Do you speak Arabic? More explicitly, to an extent that would allow you to understand the nuances in a verse like that?

I’m asking because I still don’t see any proof that it is clearly written anywhere.

I also don’t get it but people nowadays obsess over the weirdest things.

If you follow the madhhab of YouTube and you rely too much on Sheikh Wikipedia, you may draw this conclusion but it’s really more nuanced than this and I thought we’re past this kind of radicalism where only one opinion is valid and everyone else goes to hell since ISIS got busted more or less.

I can’t believe I’m getting involved in this but then you can surely show where it’s mentioned clearly?

Well given that there is some relation to Iran, as a government it would help to not force people to wear it anymore.

In terms of European societies it’s a common allegation that women would be forced to wear it but in countries like France, Germany, UK, etc. it’s usually non-Muslim people speaking about this issue but no one actually speaks to Muslim women and asks them what they want.

So it’s not like there’s actual data on this and I doubt that it’s possible to collect reliable data on this issue. IMO a first step would be to work together with Muslim women instead of patronizing them.

Yeah absolutely this. I don’t know how this is confusing to anyone.

Ah you’re quick, edited something in still sorry about that.

Yeah I was also surprised, there’s also still Arab and Kurdish speaking people and a huge percentage of people actually are Azerbaijani not Persian.

It’s a cool country and I’d love to visit some day, just seems more difficult every year.

I grew up in Europe in a place with a lot of exiled Iranians and have a lot of colleagues/ university buddies from there. Have a friend still living in Iran as well. This is of course kind of anecdotal but I think in general it wouldn’t be a controversial take in European countries.

I think it’s also kind of implied because they were the losers of the revolution and more conservative/religious people just tried to keep their heads down. The Iranian regime sucks even by middle eastern standards but if you’re not opposing them you can kind of get by.

I’m not at all familiar with the American-Iranian community so it may be very different over there.

The same applies btw to the new wave of Turkish immigrants. Again very anecdotal but alone in my last workplace I had like 20-30 Turkish colleagues who came to the EU from Istanbul recently and I didn’t know a single of them who was religious. Not that it matters in this post but what I’m trying to say is that societies and migration are more diverse than how it’s portrayed in the media.

Yeah I mean she seems to be frequently on pro-Israel protests, is a right wing supporter and an Iranian monarchist. Exiled Iranians are usually hardcore atheists and combining this with her political views and her ripping off hijabs off women’s heads I think this paints a pretty clear picture.

Did you like read the article? It’s even in the summary of the original post. She filmed herself ripping off hijabs of women’s heads and then the police was investigating it and then she fucked off to Tel Aviv. I don’t get this thing where people comment without reading the OP, let alone the actual article.

But Brexit was also mainly about immigration and „taking back control“. The tories are pretty damn racist and anti-immigration, not that it makes any sense for an aging population on an isolated island. But their whole campaign was against the EU and against Eastern European immigrants.

The right has normalised an inhumane rhetoric all over Europe in the last 10 years. Politicians have tried to underhand the „concerns“ of citizens, the media has tried to expose the lies of the right wingers, they tried to prove through arguments that they make no sense. It’s all pointless, the right wing is gaining more and more ground even though we all know they’re lying, fear mongering and licking Putins boot.

So now we’re in this fortress called Europe and we’re totally fine with people drowning in the Mediterranean Sea, in the channel, getting beaten up and locked up at EU borders, rotting in Lybian concentration camps run by local warlords, if not being tortured and raped.

I honestly don’t know what else to address in terms of migration. More drownings? More torture? More concentration camps?

My guess is that there’ll be a continued competition over who’s the toughest on migration while our social systems, free speech and eventually democracy as a whole will erode in the background.