@PM_me_trebuchets @tributarium Question: what exactly do you hope to achieve by barging in and insulting anyone who questions your (perhaps motivated) reasoning? You are a textbook example of how not to have an actual conversation. Instead of actually engaging with the points being made (and giving the reasons you disagree with them), you instead stoop to insulting people who are trying to have an actual conversation with you.
Go outside and touch grass, my friend. Anger is bad for you :)
@PM_me_trebuchets @Gold_E_Lox So ownership is fine as long as the owner determines that the conditions are adequate? Seems pretty sus.
@PM_me_trebuchets Also, if I were 'normal', I would have accepted the meat, dairy, and egg industries as 'normal' and not at all exploitative. That is, I would not be vegan. But I actually like to think about these things and question my assumptions, even if it's uncomfortable.
@PM_me_trebuchets You're not actually addressing my points. What gives you the right to determine whether your pet is allowed to reproduce?
@PM_me_trebuchets But what gives you the right to decide if your pet is allowed to reproduce? And I'm not the one claiming pets are part of my family - pet owners are! So it makes sense to examine whether that actually holds up upon closer scrutiny.
@PM_me_trebuchets @tributarium It's particulary problematic with pets because we see fit to *literally cut off their ability to reproduce*, among other things. People say pets are like family, but if you locked your child up in the house (for their safety, ofc) and neutered them without their consent, you would be thrown in jail for child endangerment.
@PM_me_trebuchets @tributarium While domestication of several plant and animal species is clearly a "thing" when looking at human history (many of our most common crops are domesticated, for example), the shift from nominally seeing your pet as a partner (in, say, hunting, which is what dogs were originally domesticated for) to an object to be owned is *much* newer (and problematic IMO).
@themusicman @xapr Yup, that's mostly how we shop. I'm vegan and my wife is vegetarian, so fruits, veggies, legumes/nuts/seeds from the bulk section, dairy and tofu from the fridge sectioo. Some of the 'safe' inner-aisle foods are pasta (we get legume pasta), canned tomato (we get the ones without salt), artichoke hearts, and that's pretty much it (oh, I guess silken tofu is in an inner aisle as well).
@neurospice Deva: https://devanutrition.com/vegan-vitamin-d3-1000-iu-cholecalciferol.html