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I very much agree with this.

No you don't, because you're still up and down this thread bootlicking for Biden and Harris, who are as vocally pro-Israel as anyone can possibly be.

Iran.

Is Iran compelling Israel to commit genocide against Palestine? Are they compelling the US to arm this genocide? What the fuck does this even mean?

I'm well aware of the history of Israel, thanks. Can you explain how the US's arming Israel for the last 76 years makes it okay for them to continue doing so? It was wrong then, so why isn't it wrong now?

You can be opposed to Israel's excessive use of force while still supporting the Biden administration's actions

No you cannot, because Biden (and the United States broadly, as you've been so keen to point out) is the one enabling their excessive use of force.

What we do know is that Iran is an active threat to the United States and other countries and, without Israel as an ally, the world would be under grave threat of international war.

One country in the region is openly murdering women and children, and it isn't Iran.

You are complicit in genocide.

Ok, what is your strategy then?

Nothing less than the revolutionary overthrow of the corrupt, genocidal US state.

As the old guard gets replaced, the hope is that we bring in more and more liberal people over time.

Remind me of the last time that worked.

Voting third party - waste your vote. Your vote means nothing.

Some democracy you've got there, huh?

There is no chance that a third party wins a Presidential election and to think otherwise is naive.

I'm under no illusions that my third party candidate is going to win. The point is to send a message to the Democrats that their unwavering support for genocide is going to cost them votes, maybe even the election. And if it does they have no one but their own genocidal asses to blame.

Vote Republican - we definitely, actively, vocally, and happily continue to endorse Israel and genocide

Who's arming Israel right now? Who has vowed to continue arming Israel?

Grow a spine and stop supporting genocide.

Common sense means stopping genocide by voting for a pro-genocide candidate

How does enabling genocide prevent world war, exactly? Spell that one out for me, because to my knowledge the previous World War was started by a state who was doing a genocide.

You keep bringing up Trump every time someone points out that Democrats are gleefully enabling genocide, yet no one here has ever expressed the slightest interest for voting for Trump.

You'll find that it's not possible for the US to completely pull out of supporting them with military aid.

Why the fuck isn't it?

Imagine what would have happened if Biden / Congress didn't continue military contracts

Had you been paying attention to the actual news, you would know that the US has been arming Israel for decades

Okay, and? Israel has been a genocidal colonizer state since its inception. Every previous president who armed them is a war criminal, too.

This is the most complicated international conflict in our lifetime

It really isn't. Israel is a genocidal settler state living on stolen land. They should be abolished and the land returned to Palestine, its rightful owners. What part of this are you struggling with?

Not because the US supports genocide but because the US supports the destruction of terrorism in the region.

Oh fuck off. You said yourself they only care about Israel because of its position in the region. They don't give a shit about terrorism, they've been actively funding terrorists and destabilizing the region for decades. It's never been about democracy or fighting terror and you are incredibly naive if you still believe this. It's only ever been about extracting as much oil from the region as possible as cheaply as possible.

You are choosing the person who is literally saying he wants to destroy Palestine over the person who is "actively arming this genocide"

Excuse me? I'm not choosing shit. Please link to me exactly where I said I was going to vote for Trump. I have never once expressed any interest in voting for him, not in 2016, nor 2020, nor today. No, refusing to vote for Harris is not, in fact, a vote for Trump. That's not how voting works and you are a literal baby if you think not voting for a specific candidate is inherently a vote for another.

Biden and Blinken are still trying to get a ceasefire and support for a two state solution

They have never been serious about a ceasefire. Biden is still sending Israel all the weapons they need to carry out their extermination campaign. If he was even the smallest bit serious about enforcing a ceasefire he would stop sending them weapons to fire.

Once the Republican party is thoroughly stomped into the ground and made completely unviable can we focus on a truly liberal third party

The Democrats will never allow that to happen. Nancy Pelosi Says U.S. 'Needs a Strong Republican Party'

but honestly we probably have a better chance of slowly moving the Dems left than we do a third party taking over

Liberals said that shit in 2016 and again in 2020 and the Democrats have since only moved to the right. They've outflanked the GOP on the border and are actively supporting a genocide.

How does that excuse the Democrats arming a genocide?

Ok, sure. Here's the second paragraph:

Between the war's start last October and recent days, the United States has transferred at least 14,000 of the MK-84 2,000-pound bombs, 6,500 500-pound bombs, 3,000 Hellfire precision-guided air-to-ground missiles, 1,000 bunker-buster bombs, 2,600 air-dropped small-diameter bombs, and other munitions, according to the officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly.

Question for you, who has been the president of the US since October 7, 2023?

To defend democracy

the US has to negotiate with the Israel terrorist state

And by negotiate you mean unconditionally arm their genocide?

Trump doesn't give a shit about anyone in the region and has fully supported Netanyahu's genocide

Again, the weapons Israel is using for their genocide were sent to them by Biden, not Trump. https://www.reuters.com/world/us-has-sent-israel-thousands-2000-pound-bombs-since-oct-7-2024-06-28/

The current conflict is largely due to Trump's actions as president and Biden's inaction as president

Once again, Biden is actively arming this genocide. That doesn't sound like inaction to me.

So is Harris.