The "listen to defectors" is always a great bit. Literally just admitting "only listen to people that agree with my worldview". Because of course, every person that has lived or lives in a socialist country and disagrees with libs are just brainwashed. Every single one of them. I don't understand how someone can honestly believe that.
Neers94
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Everything they said is complete projection. Full stop. The idea that the US state isn't corrupt because there exists separate departments is utterly ridiculous. The US state feeds off corruption, it's the primary motivator of policy, corruption is literally completely legal in the US. Also, does this person think there aren't separate departments of state in china? Even a wiki page will tell you otherwise.
The US is a police state. Much more so than china. You don't hold a quarter of the worlds prison population despite being a tiny percent of the global population without being one. US police are amongst the heaviest armed in the world, the NYPD alone is better equiped in military gear than most militaries in the world. Police operate with near full impunity in this country because of corrupt local governments and police unions. Police brutality resulting in the death on innocents is almost a weekly occurance. I don't ever want to here libs say china is a police state when they live in and vouch for the biggest police state on the planet. Infuriating argument.
Add to this, the complete dismissal of any wrongdoing by the US towards political dissent as "conspiracy nonsense" is incredibly rich considering they believe there is currently happening a mass genocide of Uighurs of which the only "evidence" we have of happening is blurry satellite images and massive leaps in assumptions made from china putting more security in the region. Even on wikipedia, any western media really, they admit the US has participated in many cases of jailing, suppressing and murdering political dissenters. It's not something that's under wraps that we need to theorize on, it's in the open and they openly admit to it. As socialists we can admit that socialist states have done bad things to dissenters that weren't necessary at all, but when you point out that the US has done the same libs immediately jump into denial and call you crazy, it's infuriating.
The internet thing is silly. It's very obvious that sites like reddit, Facebook, Twitter, etc are completely dominated by Americans and American rhetoric. Ridiculous to claim that china not allowing those sites is somehow authoritarian, especially when the US doesn't allow certain Chinese sites and has literally banned Chinese tech companies from selling or operating in the country.
Overall it's just impossible to argue with these types. They operate on the false premises that everything china says or anything coming out of china must be wrong and bad, no exceptions, and anything coming out of western press are the only resources you should care about. It's china bad syndrome. The mere idea of china sparks a fear inside them that initiates a sort of fight or flight response where they either deny or deflect any information contrary to the narrative they believe in.
Stalin oppressed the poles by restoring their borders to a state not seen since the early medieval ages and deported German settlers from the country. Ah but of course, the polish conquests of Belarusian, Lithuanian and ukrainian territory were "rightful polish clay" though right? These guys have no understanding of history whatsoever.
Bonus points for equating the Holocaust with the holodomor and the great leap forward (?). No one denies that people died during the holodomor, the argument is that there isn't any evidence it was an intentional genocide of ukranians. Nazis argue that literally no one died during the Holocaust, it was all fake, the camps, the mass graves, everything.