FatCrab

Sure, you're talking about messaging now, but that isn't the context of the thread this sits in, where you very obviously implied she had no substantive policy contrasting her with Trump. I agree that messaging was apparently poor--the American electorate apparently cannot be expected to make even a minimal effort at diligence--but that is not the same as there being no policy. So I think the real lesson is that American voters are even dumber and lazier than the democrats give them credit for, which unfortunately is not conducive to shifting the Overton window leftwards for once.

I mean, yes, the over 70 million voters who voted for Trump absolutely are wrong. That they're mostly too willfully fucking stupid to understand that may speak to a failure in Harris' messaging, but nevertheless does not absolve them of the guilt of being willfully dumb as fucking rocks.

Go to her fucking policy page and read them. They're still there. Off the top of my head, additional support for parents, anti-gouging laws limiting price hiking, tax incentives for creation of more housing supply, among others that were expressly mentioned by her and can still be found on hee campaign page.

Bud, I'm too tired to care about arguing about reality with you. The entire settler movement and likudnik side of Israel is fully aligned with and happy about Trump. Disappearance of Gaza and West Bank entirely was extremely unlikely under Harris and is very likely under Trump. As is actual US troops side by side with IDF in the Levant in a very obvious very different way than they have been so far. Lot of people, perhaps an entire people, are very pprobability going to die.

Netanyahu expressly wanted a Trump administration and even closely corresponded with him during the campaign. Moreover, no, the outlook under Biden was nowhere near as dire as what it's already shaping up to be under Trump, even if it was awful and an affront to any reason le persons conscience.

I think his intentions are very clear and he very often speaks them. Where Trump is utterly full of shit is where he describes reality, as in migrant crime waves, how tariffs actually work, Haitian pet eating, etc. And most of it he couldn't get before because there were process barriers in play. Much of that has been cleared both in the intervening years and as a direct result of the down ballot of this election.

You mean the wall that had multiple useless sections built with American taxpayers money and he absolutely would have continued with if not for the inherent logistics issues of physical reality and lack of competent enablers that aren't blockers this time around?

Also, the 2016 administrator WAS catastrophic. The hyper consolidation of corporate actors, deregulation and defanging of admin agencies that effectively removed all culpability from corporate actors, and bureaucratic damage that has made recovery a steeple uphill battle all happened not just under his watching but as an explicit intent of his watch.

That the overwhelming majority of voters are not just uninformed, uncritical, and apathetic, but actually might be morons? I don't know.

Biden and Harris both have been fairly active in supporting labor and trying to tackle corporate Greed. Harris regularly talked about anti-gouging laws as well as the other items mentioned already. Biden was the most pro-union president we've seen in decades, had a strong NLRB, and was responsible for appointing the most active and effective FTC head we've seen in ages.

There are many many issues with the democratic party, but holy shit, being less supportive of the working class than fucking Republicans is absolutely not one of them.

That the overwhelming majority of voters are not just uninformed, uncritical, and apathetic, but actually might be morons? I don't know.

Biden and Harris both have been fairly active in supporting labor and trying to tackle corporate Greed. Harris regularly talked about anti-gouging laws as well as the other items mentioned already. Biden was the most pro-union president we've seen in decades, had a strong NLRB, and was responsible for appointing the most active and effective FTC head we've seen in ages.

There are many many issues with the democratic party, but holy shit, being less supportive of the working class than fucking Republicans is absolutely not one of them.

That the overwhelming majority of voters are not just uninformed, uncritical, and apathetic, but actually might be morons? I don't know.

Biden and Harris both have been fairly active in supporting labor and trying to tackle corporate Greed. Harris regularly talked about anti-gouging laws as well as the other items mentioned already. Biden was the most pro-union president we've seen in decades, had a strong NLRB, and was responsible for appointing the most active and effective FTC head we've seen in ages.

There are many many issues with the democratic party, but holy shit, being less supportive of the working class than fucking Republicans is absolutely not one of them.

Ah, gotcha, yea the coverage of this has been awful. I know if I talk to my cousins about this, they'll freak out about antisemitic violence in Europe rather than understand that this is pretty justified not even antizionist but anti-generalal-shithead violence.

No. It is that Trump won with the support of over 70 million Americans. People are responsible for their choices. jfc

Everyone saying Trumps totals didn't change, yes, but their composition absolutely did change. But even that is besides the point. Even if they staged exactly the same, that's still really fucking problematic and its absurd to give these people cover for being shitasses.