CicadaSpectre

Not disagreeing with you, but they would eventually turn to violence inevitably. Either through "legal" means as reactionaries restructure the government under Trump and his supporters, or through continued terrorism in areas or periods where he isn't in power. It doesn't matter if he'd gotten assassinated or if there had never been an attempt. His fanatics are convinced they're in a holy war, and they look for any shared of evidence - real or imagined - to support that bias.

I'd wager you're more annoyed at the hypocrisy of liberals wanting Trump dead than them simply wanting him dead, because I can guarantee his fash followers are going to do violence and terror regardless of any attempt, its success, or its failure.

Makes sense.

Unfortunately, I just heard the word going around that someone in the crowd died, so it does definitely appear at the very least real shots were going into the crowd. None of that has been verified, as far as I can tell, but I'm sure we'll get all the details by tomorrow if not in the next few hours. It's not looking good either way, sadly. You're right that the right wing is going to use this for all the mileage it'll get, stunt or not.

My only counter is that Trump and his supporters already believe Biden and Dems are in a cabal with communists. If it was some anarchist, he'd still blame Biden as equally; if it were a Dem, he'd blame communists as equally. To Trump and his cronies, it's all the same. No matter who wins, or who fired those shots, they'll squeeze harder on us.

I ain't busting out the tinfoil hat just yet, because it's entirely possible with all the fearmongering of making Trump the antithesis of freedom, that some unwell person might think they're saving the world by attacking him, but so much of it feels... off. I can't help but be suspicious. That said, I'll withhold any final conclusions until experts can investigate and weigh in.

I'd also add that his followers absolutely would not stop following him if it turned out he lied here. He could spit in their faces and they would applaud. He has nothing to lose from doing a stunt like this, in fact they might find it endearing.

Who the hell benefits from this other than his fanatics? I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be staged, and I'd be even less surprised if his supporters didn't care it wasn't real.

EDIT: I concede it was almost certainly a real attack, and probably by someone convinced they could save the country by killing him. I just wasn't going to be surprised if it turned out to be staged. I wish it had been; this is going to get the fanatics frothing at the mouth. They're already saying he was saved by God to stop the "leftists".

Reminds me of Prohibition and how violent it got all because Americans couldn't get booze. To this day, I don't doubt there'd be an uprising if they ever tried that again here. We're dependent on bread and circuses, and we project like no other.

Stuff like this wouldn't bother me if it wasn't for the fact states (like mine) are lowering the working age to 14, and it's all my damn students talked about when I taught middle school - how excited they were to make money. If we still had some semblance of child labor laws, then something like this would be pretty benign; I wanted to work fast food when I was a kid, and plenty of kids like to pretend they're store clerks or chefs. Not surprised it's Chik Fil A.

I'm trying to get into factory work. I'm looking at going to tech school and getting a job as a technician. Everything else has kind of fallen through.

It's remarkably easy to deceive most Americans, at least, when it comes to certain countries. We're pretty indoctrinated about what it's "really like" in countries we don't like. From cartoons we watch as a kid, to what they teach us in middle and high school, to what we see on news/documentaries and social media. By the time they claimed Russia was invading Ukraine for no reason other than Putin wanting land, that was all the information Americans needed. They happily accepted every pro-Ukrainian narrative and rejected every fact that contradicted it. The only media opposition were MAGA outlets who love Putin for conservative reasons, and this unreliable media minority was used to dismiss the truth as fringe conspiracy.

I can't see it happening any time soon, tbh. All the shit with Trump is purely spectacle. If it does wind up coming to blows, it won't be a civil war so much as the government/capitalist class dealing with pawns they can't control. They like having this tension and media circuses about voting - it's good distraction from all the wretched shit we're doing, and if anyone talks bad about US foreign policy, they can be accused of supporting Russian and/or China. However, it's possible some MAGA dogs might slip the leash if Trump doesn't win, convinced they need to "save democracy". In which case, I guarantee, the politicians on both sides will disavow Trump and push for a bipartisan crackdown on the "radical insurrectionists" - most of whom will probably get pretty light sentences or deals, after seeing a few (if any) of their comrades get killed by a police/military response. Then we'll probably see new legislation cracking down on "radicalism", which will be used to target leftist media and literature.

There is the slight chance, I suppose, that Trump has enough popular support from people who would do something about it, and that the US might be too shocked by a widespread insurrection (an actual one, not that pathetic display on January 6th), that they actually force a response. Just speculating here, but I'd wager it'd just lead to a fascist transition with Trump as some kind of Mussolini so the capitalists and their politicians can stay in power, nobody in power willing to wage a civil war over it. After that, you could make an argument for a war of resistance, but we're already making too many assumptions here.