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Why are all the #peertube instances defederated from each other? (dice.camp)
submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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Why are all the #peertube instances defederated from each other?

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Has there been drama over there or something?

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[–] [email protected] -5 points 8 months ago

This is absurd anyway.

There is something working out there which can be implemented by anyone even including entire countries and we keep seeing YouTube links everywhere. Even NASA gave up their streaming service. It once supported any kind of player and they didn't even need to pay for it. Any streaming host will carry NASA TV, they may even pay extra for the privilege.

This isn't ignorance, some people are getting paid big time. Also a reminder for countries other than USA: You are using a American company service which is bound to American laws. You are also sending your citizens and their money to a foreign service.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Just keep clicking through those pages and you'll see they federated. How come none of you bothered to even check out the instances themselves? This is why fake news spreads...

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I think it's just a misunderstanding. With most other Fedi software, servers federate via the users themselves following content from other servers and then the admins have control over whether to sever that connection by defederating. With PeerTube it doesn't work that way, federation is controlled by the admin of each server in the first place and they tend to keep the list quite short (on a particular theme, or just servers by other admins they trust, or whatever).

I expect the fundamental reasons for that are the expense of hosting video content and also the risk of extremely NSFL material if you throw the doors open by default. It definitely results in a lot of behaviours that seem very strange if you're used to the usual fedi way of doing things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You can follow other instances in peertube as user, but it's not straight forward. You have to copy-paste the link of the user, video, or channel in the search bar, then follow. It's a bizarre way of doing things and mastodon has something similar too.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yes you can follow channels from other servers without much of a problem. The issue that this on something like Lemmy or Mastodon, that follow would then bring the followed content into the search results of your server. It doesn't seem to work that way on PT.

Example: I have two channels on makertube.net. My husband follows them both, from another PT server (I can't remember which). But just the act of him following doesn't mean my channel shows up in a search from his server.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

That's unfortunate. However, to say "they don't federate" is still fake news. They do, just not like Mastodon does.

Is there a feature request for PT to rectify this?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

@onlinepersona @thegiddystitcher that's actually what I am doing. I found I can just follow all these peertube users from Mastodon, so that's what I do

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

That's definitely the way to go for now. PT is pretty ok software from the creator pov but it's atrocious as someone just looking to view! We'll see how things develop, maybe that changes at some point.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I feel like it’s because of the risky nature of video content and it appearing to be hosted by the site

I run a small instance that doesn’t have open registrations and is very limited in who it follows to prevent risky videos from accidentally being rehosted (and to host content I helped make)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

I feel like there should be a mechanism to block posts but allow comments

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It would be great if there was at least once instance that was federated to most of the other instances (except Nazis and porn) just so lurkers could keep track of what's being posted via 'Recently added'.

Does anyone know of an instance that does something like this?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

there is a search engine, or peertube website created by the same devs of peertube at Framasoft, to enable you to search peertube at large. go to https://sepiasearch.org/

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Try framatubes instance. They seem to be pretty connected.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I thought so too at first but if I'm reading the 'Following' filter on this page correctly then my best bet would be to go with Libre.Video (although the figures reported there don't seem to match up with those reported by the instance).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Interesting. I might need to check on that. I have discussed with framatube in the past about discoverability. Also, the kodi app had been outdated for a while. I think they’re struggling with popularity. Youtube is still the monopoly and peertube probably doesnt have that much money to throw at competing. Also the p2p stuff sparked some privacy concerns. I‘ll have a look at my peertube instance later and check whats new.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Well using Libre.Video on NewPipe turned out to be a bust. It only plays Local video, everything on Recently added and Trending fails.

I tried to use Fedilab but it wont let me lurk, requires a login to use an instance which is not possible because Libre.Video has user registration disabled.

So now I've added Peertube 1312 to NewPipe, it appears to be following more instances and the Recently added, Local and Trending videos are all playing. I might be sorted.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Just a thanks, I was completely unaware you could add peertube instances to Newpipe. And here I am, so thank you :ಠ_ಠ

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So first of all, you can use a mastodon account (i dont know about other ap accounts tbh) to comment and vote on peertube. So thats not too bad imo. unless I‘m not getting something rn? I checked, my instance is online and trending works. You can check it out at https://peertube.giftedmc.com

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I haven't used Mastodon since creating an account years ago but it's good to know I can go down that route as an alternative.

I added your instance in NewPipe and Trending, Recently added and Local all work fine.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Great! :) enjoy. Feel free to leave some feedback on the local videos. I appreciate it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

@Shkshkshk @fediverse

My guess/experience.

- several spam attackes in the last few years led to a lot of defederation of poorly moderated instances.

- opt in federation model combined with lazy and/or overworked sysops

- desire to curate the recent videos feed by excluding possibly problematic federation partners.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago

I am also wondering this