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[–] [email protected] 85 points 6 days ago (72 children)

Always remember that the patriarchy harms everyone

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[–] [email protected] 162 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

I went through the worst depression of my life around 2017, tried to express these feelings to my gf at the time and explain why our romance was failing or why I spent half the day in bed.

Basically got told "poor you", everyone has struggles, snap out of it and be a man. That definitely helped, and didn't push me even deeper into feelings of worthlessness..

I'm doing ok now, but it was the first time I felt comfortable enough with someone to express those emotions, I was at my wits end. The response was eye opening, never again.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I have been dumped for not expressing emotion, and crying, due to tragic things happening.

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 6 days ago (10 children)

Wore nail polish at work this week, because I’m a bloke in his 40s who works in an office so fuck it, why not.

Our HR manager - a man in his 50s who fairly recently sent out an email reminding us to talk about our feelings to help our mental health - asked me (half jokingly) if I was “going through some life changes”

I will be when I find a better company to work for.

[–] [email protected] 101 points 6 days ago (4 children)

To be fair, that could have been a genuine attempt to reach out to you. Coming in with painted nails when they've never seen you present yourself that way could be interpreted as you going through some life changes, and maybe you want to talk about them given an opportunity?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 days ago

Nah, he knows me well enough to know what I’m about. And ultimately he doesn’t really care whether I do it or not, but he’s an ex-army man of a certain age, and me wearing nail polish doesn’t jive with his view of what’s ’normal’.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Who talks to hr out of their own volition anyway?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It’s a small firm, so I know our HR manager pretty well. But yeah.

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[–] [email protected] 133 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Been dumped, more than twice, immediately after crying in front of a woman. Make of that what you will.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I doubt that was it, but okay

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 6 days ago (4 children)

That's fucked. If I was dating a guy and he cried in front of me it would make me happy to know that he feels safe being vulnerable around me. I would treasure him forever after that.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 6 days ago

Not everyone is a good person.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Happened to me in high school once. Haven't really been able to cry openly ever since.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm lucky I recently upgraded from a biannual sob to a quarterly sob. We'll see what that does for...

*gestures at everything*

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago

Crazy thing is that I literally just connected that dot in this thread thinking out loud. I never once had the thought that expressing my emotions was unsafe, I just kind of took that feedback onboard and proceeded to not process grief for two decades.

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[–] [email protected] 150 points 6 days ago (2 children)

It’s cultural. The problem is bigger than any one person. As soon as honest men speak out, they either deal with minimization like in the meme, or worse, support from chauvinistic incels who invalidate their message entirely.

[–] [email protected] 119 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Thanks to Culture War grifters, men's issues are unfairly stigmatized as something associated with incels and the alt-right.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Culture War grifters

I really like this phrase. These people need to be called out more often.

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[–] [email protected] 262 points 6 days ago (14 children)

"Why are men in general so emotionally constipated? omg stop crying like a pussy; we just asked a question!" - the patriarchy, oppressing us all

[–] [email protected] 167 points 6 days ago (28 children)

feminism is for everyone. patriarchy is both against and enforced by everyone

[–] [email protected] 96 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Time to get downvoted for having an opinion, here I go:

In my experience, women were the ones constantly telling me I should be positive, I should smile/laugh more, I should not worry or cry or stuff like that (even lovingly telling me to shush), male friends were MUCH more accepting when it came to my emotional problems (both were equally useless tho).
BUT I don't blame women nor the patriarchy, I blame toxic positivity, as most of us weren't taught how to deal with emotions and came from toxic/broken homes so forcing a positive take on everything and shunning anything that could weaken that bubble was (and still is) the norm and that is genderless, assholery is a human thing, not a male vs female thing.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

When i was a kid it was the opposite... but in my adult years it's been overwhelmingly women that tried to enforce masculinity on me any time I stepped out of the bounds of masculinity and did something feminine (wear feminine clothes, cry, make a comment getting hit on by men to name a few). I was a closeted trans woman in denial which made it extra annoying whenever it happened. Now that I'm out the women in my life have been extremely supportive so there is that. However whenever I go out in full femme with outfit and make-up I noticed it's women who stare at me, had one lady look me up and down three times pretty deliberately while standing 4ft away from me. I don't always see it as malicious (not that i would care), more like they're curious or maybe even liking fit. But it's an interesting contrast compared to men who seem to give me almost no mind or attention by comparison. It was something I didn't expect.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You or @[email protected] in somewhere like the SF Bay Area, California?

Curious cuz this ain’t cool and I dare say my circles ‘round these decently progressive parts would concur

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 6 days ago (5 children)

My wife makes way more than me, with the potential to be sole provider in less than 5 years. I told her id love to stay home and take care of the house/kids. She got offended, and said itd probably end our marriage because that wouldnt be masculine.

Shes always been a big proponent for gender equality... i guess she always only ever thought of one gender

[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 days ago

lolwut y she so going so 1950s on you

Taking care of the kids is a masculine thing to do! 💪

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