Stage 5: Acceptance
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Maybe it’s just because I’m a determinist, but they could never have won. This was the only possible outcome because it’s what the conditions amounted to.
Pretty much no serious experts thought Ukraine could win. The fact that so many leaders in the west convinced themselves it was possible shows that any serious debate is dead. They just surround themselves with sycophants, and live in echo chambers where everybody just repeats what they all want to hear.
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That's not being a 'determinist', that's just plain old mathematical certainty, considering Russia's powerful industrial output, technological superiority, population advantage and supreme military experience. Also - overpriced NATO wonder weapons proved their papertigerness.
The US, the neocon monsters, those with actual competence... My take is - either the vast majority of them or ALL of them knew the impossibility of victory on the battlefield. That was not the point anyway
I know, I'm just wondering if I'd imagine there were different possible outcomes if I believed in free will.
Free will doesn't include willing a thermobaric not to kill you when it has just detonated at your feet.
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Two years ago, the Ukrainian Armed Forces defied expectations immediately. Days before Russia’s massive combined arms incursion, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley spoke for the U.S. military when he predicted to Congress that Kyiv would fall within 72 hours.
Many military analysts similarly predicted the Russian Armed Forces would quickly rout the overmatched Ukrainians. American leaders encouraged Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to leave the country, lest Russian troops assassinate him.
This whole narrative has to have been pure bullshit, right? The West had been arming Ukraine since 2014, Merkel even admitted the Minsk II agreements were just stalling for that purpose, and if you sell Ukraine as this hopelessly outmatched smol bean that's certainly doomed, it's easier to rally public support when it "somehow" beats all odds to hang in the fight. It's classic setting expectations at zero so anything looks like success, and fits with how often the media has ran with the "full scale" descriptor of the Russian invasion.
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley spoke for the U.S. military when he predicted to Congress that Kyiv would fall within 72 hours
So finally there is is, the long awaited source for the all time favourite liberal bullshit that Kiev will fall in 3 days. And of course it was a projection too since it was said by US general, not Russian.
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Yeah, but now this is the canon in the west that has to be incorporated into any future narratives.
"Predicted to Congress" really just means "made some shit up to get everyone on board with a proxy war". That said, the supply of weapons and money from the USA and EU has artificially prolonged the war so it has taken a lot longer than it otherwise would have. Now that the supply of weapons and money is starting to dry up, you can already see how quickly things are deteriorating because Ukraine doesn't have the ability to sustain their losses on their own. Not to mention how close a peace deal was back in 2022 before the USA and UK stepped in to scuttle it.
Ukraine is hopelessly outmatched and is doomed. It basically has been since the beginning. The question was really only ever one of how long it would take and how many Ukrainians would die in the process.
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The question was really only ever one of how long it would take and how many Ukrainians would die in the process.
Also how badly Russia would be hurt in the process, which is worth mentioning since it's the only the the west cares about here.
I think there might honestly be a case to be made that a fast end to the war would have been better for the west. Because now, Russia has a military full of soldiers who are veterans at fighting against NATO hardware and tactics, and a military industrial complex in high gear that can source all the parts it needs without being affected by USA/EU sanctions. Not that it's all sunshine and roses for Russia of course, but the USA failed to inflict any mortal wounds and now Russia is far better prepared to resist NATO in the future.
Not to mention, of course, all the other bad side effects on USA hegemony of NATO's ineptitude being put on display for the entire world.
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Good point -- no better way to pitch funding a war than "defeat is imminent unless you give me unlimited cash right now"
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Thehill can eat shit. Their entire shtick was to corral Bernie supporters into a dead end so they wouldn't actually radicalize.
When did Ukraine be home the most important country in the world?
Right? Back in 2014 it was the most corrupt with a neo-Nazi problem, I was reading articles about it in 2016
A lot of writing in that article is bad, but this takes the propaganda cake:
Russia also has the advantage of time. While Putin can lead Russia along a single strategic trajectory regardless of the length of the war, the U.S. is subject to the whims of democracy. The White House and seats in Congress change hands. Policies change as voters grow weary of supporting other countries.
It's like an onion. There's so many levels to these 3 sentences, that if I start peeling them apart, I'll burst into tears.
Incredibly out of reality. They are essentially implying that only the west is accountable to their constituents while the East can do whatever they want because the population is “brainwashed”.
Meanwhile the US state is in a constant state of governing against the interests of their own people.
they want because the population is “brainwashed”.
it seems like a form of the "asiatic hordes" theme that has been so prevalent for so long
lol truly
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