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this is a topic i've been heavily involved with because i still consider myself to be someone who prefers using technology at a very beginner friendly level, plus it's very good when a linux operating system makes you feel right at home when it has a modern desktop environment. this is why i really like gnome, its simplicity and usability is something available for everyone, for beginners and for a lot of other people, but if you had to, say, rearrange xfce or kde for someone who was an elderly person or an absolute beginner so that they wouldn't have any trouble using linux, how would you do it? (screenshot is my current linux mint desktop, very simple and extremely user friendly!!!!)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I don't know, but I want your wallpaper.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

ok sure!! i found it on reddit stolas wallpaper

[–] [email protected] -4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Adopt windows file system with letterer partitions as the root. Plus most people who use computers are used to this paradigm already. Who ever came up with Linux's file system has poor organization skills

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I don't agree. It's just because you're used to drive letters.

I think Linux filesystem is better organised. Everything is (almost) well organised in the right folder.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

It might be nicely organized but coming from windows the abbreviations can be downright confusing. For example:

  • /bin; recycle bin?
  • /etc; other files (etcetera)?
  • /home; okay, this is where I can find my own files
  • /media; music and pictures? USB drives and CD's?
  • /mnt; no idea but also USBs apparently?
  • /root; wait system admin has his own files?
  • /sbin; super recycle bin?
  • /usr; wait, also where I can find my own files?

Sure, this might be hyperbole and Windows has its own problems, the two different program files folders coming to mind first. But when you come from an OS where system folders are words instead of abbreviations Linux can be really confusing, especially if you are not that tech-savy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 minutes ago

No, no, there's /home and stuff you need not worry about

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

....wait. You forgot /dev

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 hours ago

My 90yo neighbor has run Mint since before I met him 15 years ago

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 hours ago

Pls send me ur wallpaper (I fucking love stolas)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago

Something that automatically updates. Despite my best efforts my mom still has me update her Mint install.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Aurora Linux + KDE

It's an immutable version of Fedora with flatpack support.

This is actually a good setup for the vast majority of people.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

What would be the difference between Fedora Kinoite and this?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

It uses Universal Blue, whereas Kinoite uses rpm-ostree.

Aurora has a bit of DE customization, which is arguably more polished.

It also leans heavily on Flatpack/Flathub.

The other difference that I'm aware of is Aurora handles updates automatically by default, whereas Kinoite is a manual process.

To be clear, I haven't used Kinoite at all. But I have Aurora on a gaming system that I use as a kind of TV gaming console, and I'm setting it up for my elderly parents that get upset when an icon on Windows changes (that's how tech illiterate they are).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I stopped liking gnome. Let's say you try to launch a wine game and it just doesn't launch. There's no icon to right click on to find out which wine profile it's launching from. The quick launch icon is just there, teasing you and not doing anything useful.

I can right click on a desktop icon in KDE and do something useful with it. KDE has gotten better. It's no longer super buggy on Wayland with Nvidia.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

I agree.

I used to love GNOME in the v 2.0 era, but after 3.0 it's been a whole shit show.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

I would make it controlled by voice. Just need to figure out a way to tell the user what the system can do. Computer, help me shop for medicin and hold up a box infront of the screen with what you use today. This should be simple. If you make it to complex like it is today then elder people will not use the computer.

Basically a personal assistent/guide driven OS. Start with rethink the experience you would have if you went to the mall and have a human assistent with a big screen to show you everything.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 17 hours ago

Those newfangled immutable distros might benefit them, since they're unlikely to want to or care about modification, and it's extra security.

Set up the web browser with a strong ad-blocker, maybe whitelisting YouTube since non-techy people are unlikely to know what to do if youtube throws up a stink about the adblocker.

Set up auto-updates maybe. For safety and such.

Otherwise make sure it looks like a dead ringer for whatever they are already used to (usually Windows) -- Same background, icons in the same places and looking similar if not the same, panels set up the same way, etc. -- This is easier with Cinnamon or KDE Plasma. Gnome... Even if you like it, it's too different, yanno? Unless they're coming from Mac, and even then it's not the same.

P.S.: Lovely background of a gay bird prince. <3

[–] [email protected] 10 points 18 hours ago

Auto update only critical and likely attack vectors (the kernel, network stack) and have them applied when shutting down, have visual hints that explain to them what each thing is and make it immutable.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 19 hours ago

Elderly people in my family use Ubuntu (LTS) for over a decade. In one particular case, all LTS updates are performed remotely, without issues.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

It's going to sound really silly but here goes:

  1. Ensure their background is the same as it was (seriously, they often use it as an extra way to find things).

  2. Where possible, use windows icons for desktop shortcuts and mask link names to match vocab they're familiar with.

  3. Have rustdesk set up with a link saying "Let help me".

  4. Make sure they have their password written down somewhere.

  5. Make sure you have their password written down somewhere.

  6. Where possible have background updating, where not possible have a .sh file to do it for them.

  7. Add desktop links for things like downloads, documents and pictures.

These are tips for any distro when moving less tech savvy relatives over. For those that like to game, ensure your fs on their gaming drive is a Linux one as it stops weird behaviour. Also, you know, install the games for them!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

I'd also add the tip of installing a Windows-looking window theme. People just want the classic window buttons (X for close, etc.), not some fancy icons.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I'm out and about right now so won't get too deep into it as it's easily searchable, but last I checked the community consensus around rustdesk was negative

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Feel free to replace it with the remote tool of your choice. Just keep in mind that it needs to be easy to use from the supportee's end (double click, read a code).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Try a mesh VPN and SSH would be my advice

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll have a play in the new year and see if it'll work ^_^

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

I have wireguard on my home net and just vnc into devices I need to access.

At my parents house I have a cheap gl inet device running wireguard so I can vpn in of they have any issues as well.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

A wallpaper with Stolas incentivizes me for sure, but unlikely for beginners or elderlies, unless they like Stolas also.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago

yes it does incentivize me but that's just a proof of concept, well not really it's just vanilla linux mint which is user friendly lol!!! lol that's my favorite show btw, but if i had to make the distro usable for older people, i would put a landscape picture as a wallpaper

[–] [email protected] 5 points 22 hours ago

Mint/elementary are good if on windows 10/Mac respectively

What I would say is what is your reason for converting people, because you're going to end up as permanent tech support this way when they'd have probably been fine with a Mac or something

[–] [email protected] 26 points 22 hours ago

I think linux mint is already there.

I don't even know how could it be simplified more. It's really basic.

The only obstacle there is the previous familiarity with other operative systems that could make change bard. But I'm pretty sure that if you put anyone truly novice in tech in front of linux mint and windows 11, they'll have an easier time on linux mint.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago

I would try to copy the usability of macOS/Windows as much as possible without being different for the sake of being different. They should never have to look at the command line if they don't want to.

These are solved problems.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Most of my family run Linux.

My parents run Linux Mint. It’s simple and looks like Windows. The only thing they need is a browser and LibreOffice.

Some other family members are using ElementaryOS.

The majority of PC users are IT illiterate. They have no idea what the difference between Windows and Linux is or the difference between Chrome and Firefox is.

“This icon is your browser. You know, where you can access the bank. And this icon lets you write documents”.

There was always issues when family members was running Windows. Haven’t had to fix anything after installing Linux instead. Some doesn’t even know they are using Linux. I just said I updated their PC 😅

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago

I ran eOS for years. Something about it just seems....slow? Or maybe just behind. I found over time I was fighting the operating system just as much as I was Windows. But that may have been my own fault, as it was my first serious long term flirt with Linux

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