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The Democrats’ stubborn refusal to learn from the campus protests for Palestine (www.972mag.com)

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/23689894

from #972Magazine [published in Israel]
By Ahmed Moor
December 17, 2024

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago

Democrats and university admins just ran a standard PR playbook. They depend on students' naivete to succeed at it, and that worked. Several encampmentd accepted mere promises of consideration to disband while others got stronger concess but without them actually being in hand, which were easy to renege on.

For campus protest to work against something as entrenched as Zionism, these lessons need to be learned and consistently passed on and there need to be strong ties to orgs outside the university that can provide seasoned advice.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago

They learned they can force a protest to end by targeting protestors with non-government entities like college administrations.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

This is, unfortunately, not borne out by the data. I wish we had this kind of impact, but no, Harris did pretty much as good as Biden in battleground states, which is very good compared to previous elections. Rural votes for Trump just came out way harder for racist scare tactics than ever before.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

this is not true. Trump's total votes barely went up, it was the Democrats total votes plummeted. Total voter turnout was way down, especially for Democrats. Things like this absolutely lead to disengagement from the political process, the media just ignores and downplays it

2020 popular vote totals:

Biden: 81,283,501

Trump: 74,223,975

Total: ~155 million

2024 popular vote totals:

Harris: 74,983,555

Trump: 77,269,255

Total: ~152 million

Democrats lost 7 million votes while Trump only gained 3 million. Where did those 4 million people go? They stayed home because Democrats are liars and backstabbers who continually betray their own base and self sabotage.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

The national popular vote is a vibes-check at best. In nearly every state that matters, Harris did better than Biden, and in the ONE state that she didn't, she did worse by ~90k votes. In those states, (again, the ones that decided the election), Trump voters just turned out more than they did in 2020.

PA Biden: 3,377,674 Harris: 3,423,042

AZ Biden: 1,672,143 Harris: 1,582,860

NV Biden: 669,890 Harris: 705,197

GA Biden: 2,461,854 Harris: 2,548,017

NC Biden: 2,684,292 Harris: 2,715,380

WI Biden: 1,610,184 Harris: 1,668,229

MI Biden: 2,649,852 Harris: 2,736,533

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

The economy is going great and the genocide does not matter. Democrats did amazing as well but somehow Trump won. Who knows why. Must be the border bill Harris should have been tougher on immigration!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago

Should have campaigned with Bush! /$

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

just to be clear: fuck the dems.

That said, we that protest their awful shit just didn't have the impact that stories like this make it seem like we did which is sad and horrifying for different reasons.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

The protests also killed the youth turnout and all progressive activism. The people who are normally at the forefront of activism were now fighting against the Dems. Enthousiam was utterly dead for Democrats. The low turnout is all the evidence needed. People did not even feel like going out to vote Democrat as they do not believe it mattered.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Agreed...people who are generally not in battleground states. It's clearly something that could impact future elections, but it's also pretty clear that it didn't have a strong impact on this election. There is no evidence of low Democrat turnout in battleground states.