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[–] [email protected] 51 points 7 months ago (4 children)

I'm actually more conservative in my 30s, as in conserving the very limited energy i have and not arguing with idiots and use that on those who worth it.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 months ago (1 children)

As I have gotten older I have become more angry and cynical. But I'm very much more anti-conservative now than I was before, which in the US would be more left leaning, but honestly I never thought of myself as that, I just thought that I was being rational.

But being rational these days is literally being anti-conservative, because of how conservatives are banning books, attacking LGBTQ+ people for just wanting to be themselves, denying global warming even exists, and yes, letting the rich get richer by being corrupt and cutting taxes for them.

Though I also have some views that might make someone very left leaning think I'm against them (for example I do believe that some words shouldn't be viewed as bad when not meant as personal attack against disabled people, like retard or fat or obese; and I also think people are allowed to choose their pronouns and in most cases I will respect it, but some people are just doing it for shits and giggles, not seriously actually considering themselves as what they choose). It's easy to think someone who disagrees with those views as I do that they might be conservative, but I am far, far from it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I am the same way. Making a decent income and having kids has made me nothing if not more liberal. At this point, the Republican Party has absolutely nothing to offer my life that would in any way improve it.

As a GWoT, twice deployed veteran, the GOP runs a draft dodging coward who mocks Gold Star families and POWs.

As a father, the GOP is trying to dismantle schools and higher education as well as make like worse for all future generations.

As a taxpayer, the GOP has increased my taxes so that wealthy people can have a nice tax break. They have also cut social services and things that make my life better on a day to day basis like roads.

They do nothing but make life worse. No idea how anyone can support the GOP without making 10m a year, as those are the only people whose interests are actively represented.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

I have grown more progressive in my 30's and 40's, but looking around me, I feel like I have no choice but to acknowledge that, at least here in the US, conservatism has won for at least the next generation.

The strategy of buying up both ruling parties worked exceedingly well for the 1%.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

If we actually got the ability to eat the rich, I would be okay with eating meat again.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 7 months ago (4 children)

It might be true that you get more conservative after you e.g. own property, have a lot of money, or a bunch of other things that happened to boomers in their 30s.

Now that those things are far less accessible, people aren't moving conservative with nearly the same frequency. The fact that boomers did is a symptom of the easier time they had, but there's nothing intrinsic about aging that should make one more conservative.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm more conservative than my teenage self, in that I believe now that people, as a whole, are much shittier than I suspected before. This has failed to translate into voting for conservatives because:

  • Conservative politicians and voters have played a big part in that realization
  • Even shitty people still should get medical care and such
  • Even if you don't care from a moral perspective, it's a net good for society if people have housing and healthcare and are able to contribute, rather than being forced out into the streets to die.
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[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Nah, I bought a house 3 years ago. I still hate how inaccessible the housing market is, how shitty conservatives are towards other people and how much they deny science. Owning property doesn't magically make one conservative. Fuck conservatives, fuck the rich.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

One of my few lucky moments was buy a home in the mid 2010’s. I feel so bad for people now, but rather than some ridiculous “let’s pull up the ladder” mentality that Boomers and most older Gen X seem to have, I try to vote for politicians who want to return us to a sensible housing market.

In no way should banks and their LLC shadow corps be allowed to own hundreds of thousands of residential houses.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It was probably easier to become conservative with age when conservative politicians weren't so blatantly evil. They had their moments, but they sure as hell didn't stage a literal insurrection when they lost an election.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Anecdotally this hasn't been true for me. I spent my 20s barely getting by. In my 30s and early 40s I've had a series of lucky breaks that have enabled me to move into a much higher paying job resulting in luxuries like home ownership, retirement money etc. and if anything I've become more liberal.

I also don't have or want children so maybe that factors in?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Liberals are right wing outside of USA. And in some places in some time conservatives are left. Conservative and liberal is like warm amd soft - they are not opposites. Opposite of conservative are reformists and revolutioners.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

I would argue conservatism is mostly driven by fear. I would also argue older people tend to be more fearful since they have more to lose than most.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The longer I live, the more injustice I see

[–] [email protected] 45 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

The reverse happened. But I'm GenX so that might be normal?

I was given the full American Exceptionalism battery of civics propaganda in my public schooling, and I believed it all even more than my peers. It might be a neurodivergent thing, being credulous and actually believing what my teachers taught me.

I also took economics 1A and 1B in my early college career, which was all capitalism centric. (They talked about command economics, usually as a counter example, highlighting the problems it has.)

I was kind of an asshole, but I was young.

Then SCOTUS gave Bush the presidency, and that was weird. He was creepy even before 9/11 but then that happened and, well, all the conservatives went full evil. When my dad was telling me that yes, Donald Rumsfeld is right that waterboarding is not really torture (Narrator: Waterboarding is, in fact, commonly classified as torture by the scholarly consensus) and that extrajudicially detaining and torturing people because they're Arab and Muslim is entirely acceptable, I had a reckoning and an internal identity crisis. I knew that torture was what Darth Vader did to Leia to show that the Galactic Empire was evil through and through, and Vader didn't flinch at the grisly tasks.

In the next decade civil rights, including ones established in the Constitution of the United States, started getting massive carve-outs. The bill of rights didn't apply whenever national security was invoked. FBI was sending NSLs left and right telling people they're now FBI informants, yet were obligated to keep that secret on threat of being disappeared. (NSLs are still a thing, BTW.)

Officials were openly engaging in war profiteering. Halliburton was getting fantastically rich. Also Texas, by way of Enron was fleecing California. The rolling blackouts were featured in Monsters Inc. ...as was the scream extractor, possibly the best representation of late-stage capitalism at its most extreme.

We talked a lot of enhanced interrogation and extraordinary rendition and black sites. Signs of the surveillance state started manifesting even before Edward Snowden dumped a ton of data to news agencies.

Obama got elected. There was tons of talk about Hope and Change. Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize just for not being George W. Bush. Neither hope nor change were forthcoming. In fact, the Subprime Mortgage Crisis starting in 2007 resulted in some massive bailouts (about $1 Trillion) to some really big companies. If your company collapses, I had learned according to Capitalism 101, it means your business model is bad and it deserves to collapse, so this bailout didn't make sense from the ideological perspective. A lot of other people noticed it and formed OWS and protested until New York City turned off all its cameras and sent the police in to anti-riot them.

Then in 2014, Michael Brown was shot in dubious circumstances, triggering the Ferguson unrest. Police uniforms lined up pointing their assault rifles like they were at a firing squad, what I remember was poor weapon discipline, and the sort of thing Red Goons from the Soviet Union did in movies starring Clint Eastwood or Chuck Norris. Troops and troops of police officers pointing their guns like they're ready to start shooting into the crowd. Then when the policing hour happened at night, they gathered up in their MRAP and started tearing up the streets (literally) firing their tear-gas grenade launcher willy-nilly, just gassing the whole neighborhood for no peacekeeping purpose. It was terrifying.

I learned in the 1970s a congressional order required FBI to catalog all officer-involved homicides and report annually to the BJS. They hadn't. Only civilian volunteer groups had been tracking killings and brutality by law enforcement. Several news agencies started after Ferguson. One of the beats on Techdirt already was about police being stupid or drawing their guns early, or SWATTING the wrong house and rendering it unlivable. Oh yeah, social engineers discovered they could get a house raided by police with big guns anytime they wanted to, and it became an occasional tactic in COD PvP.

In 2015, I was long read about the faults of capitalism, the failures of government, the rise of regulatory capture, the police state, the surveillance state and rising wealth disparity (which was a big deal in my college Macroeconomics class -- this is how you get your civilization to collapse to social unrest). I'd also taken a deep dive into moral philosophy so I understood why torture is generally frowned upon, and I didn't have to take my cues from George Lucas.

From there, I was a few breadtube videos away from going totally Pinko Commie, but I less adhere to any given ideology so much as specific ideals (e.g. Everyone gets fed. )

Strangely, a Bolshevik chorus follows me around everywhere I go.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

Fuck. Yes.

I've copied and pasted your post into a cloud-based note app for posterity.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago

44 here. Fuck Billionaires. Give equal rights to ALL people. Kill Citizen United. Also, fuck cops. They are all bad unless they see some unjust and does something about it.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The version I always heard when I was young was, "If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no brain."

Here I am in my mid 40s, and I'm pretty sure the conservatives are the ones with no brains.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

Arguably, conservatives used to have more brain than today. But maybe they just had slightly more decorum.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 7 months ago (2 children)

That's because by 40 you were supposed to be rich enough that you'd be fearful that 'those' people are going to take it away.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I think we are those people... Aren't we?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I have become more conservative over the years...

Ferment the rich!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

I saw a video of some dude fermenting mountain dew, and he said the end result was surprisingly good. If fermentation can make mountain dew drinkable, I wouldn't be surprised if it had the same effect on the blood of the rich.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago

I'm 45, and the older I get the more socialist I am.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Any yet we are past the post of neo-feudalism which I find infuriating. This should be the political jihad being fought for votes in a democracy.

I was ultra conservative, born in Alabama to religious nutters, and don't believe there is any representation for the Left in the USA.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

At least we can suffer together :)

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

looks up from reading "The Conquest of Bread"

Reaally? O_o

My mom did assure me of that, 10-20 years ago.

By age 40, I trans'd my gender and now I'm ready to smash capitalism and seize the means of production. Let's gooooooo

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