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As the title says, I want to finally degoogle (completely) my life. I've found a Pixel 7 8/128 for ~270€ (or pixel 8? ~470€ but no white :c) it's refurbished so google doesn't get a shit from me.

I'm curious to know if:

  • You can change the default icons color (black and gray-ish in the image) or is based on the wallpaper
  • The camera app is good. Not going to make professional pics or videos but I still want to use it to take pics and a good quality is important. Tried their camera on a phone and the bottom menu to switch mode (picture/video/night mode/etc) was buggy
  • Battery life is better/worse than stock Android (if anyone tried that)
  • How the sandboxed play services work
  • Anything else that I should know about. Some people say it's good, some it's bad so I'm curious to know.

I'm still looking for a good maps replacement, Organic Map is not the best because it's missing a lot of places where I live. I wish there was a google wallet Foss alternative... I needed it to use my card with the phone (rare but still possible!)

Help a new user to fully leave shitty phone companies

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hi friend!

  • One of the best things abiut GrapheneOS is being able to easily restrict network access for apps. So for a camera app, you can use anything you want, even Google Camera, and just turn off network access so there is no way for Google to spy. The suggestion of OpenCamera is also good. It has a lot of power and options.

  • Battery life should be just as good, more or less.

  • Sandboxed play services basically means that GrapheneOS gives it fewer permissions on your phone. Normally it has a very privileged position in the OS and is fairly imvasive.

  • Its user profiles are very powerful and I highky recommend using them. I recommend not installing samdboxed google play services on yiur main (owner) profile. If you do end up needing google play services for an app, it is better to put it in a separate profile.

If it is helpful, I think of Degoogling as being mostly about replacing services. Graphene is a good atep, but definitely do a checklist of Google services that you use and slowly replace them and take control over your digital spaces. I would recommend dealing with your email as a top priority. Buying a domain (use a common/safe tld) so that you own your address (e.g. [email protected]) will mean no company can ever prevent you from sending or receiving emails on a whim. Using something like fastmail to receive and send emails via your domain will be the easiest first step.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
  1. Can't change the default icons on the default launcher. I think custom launchers may be able to.
  2. I use Open Camera whose quality I would say is fine for my purposes (no kind of professional photography, just taking pics for record-keeping, to show people things, etc)
  3. Battery life is way better than stock Android IME. It makes sense cause stock GrapheneOS is so debloated and isn't running all these spyware services in the background.
  4. You go to the app called "App Store" (preinstalled), download Google Play, then you use it like a normal Google Play app. Very user-friendly.

Been exclusively using GrapheneOS for ages, never had any problems. It's very easy to install (especially now they have a WebUSB installer) and even easier to use.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)
  1. I asked the color, I know I can't change the icons without a launcher
  2. For me it's confusing but just downloaded and opened it, I have to try before judging
  3. Makes sense!
  4. So I can make a new profile, name it(?) "FUCK GOOGLE" and install the google play app there. Not sure if I'll ever use it but I know I can do it

Yeah the flashing through chromium browser. Need to install one for that purpose but I'll do it. Thank you

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)
  • You can change the default app icons easily. The Accrescent store that can be downloaded from the gOS store even have some icon packs that are FOSS.
  • You can download the Pixel Camera from the App Store. I would keep it without Network access and remove the meta data with ExitEraser depending of where I am posting those pictures.
  • Battery seems the same but you won't have access to Adaptive Charging (when your phone is plugged in it tries to keep your phone without reaching 100% to improve battery life).
  • You won't be able to tap cards with your phone unless your bank app provides it. Google Wallet doesn't and won't work.
  • I wasn't able to get Android Auto to work at all.
  • You will need to be used to apps not working properly and testing the compatibility modes, specially if they use the location services.
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago
  • that's interesting! I'm looking for a pack tbh
  • Uh I dont like it but I want to try it first. What about Image Toolbox? https://f-droid.org/packages/ru.tech.imageresizershrinker/ it can remove Exit data and I like the app!
  • Never heard of it but it's okay, not a big deal
  • Im really disappointed to know my bank uses the cards from a brand but they don't have an app to pay without card
  • I don't need Android auto, not a problem for me
  • What do you mean? Do you have any example for popular-ish apps? I want to know more
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I want to de-Google my life. *Buys Google phone...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

This reply is very ignorant and you are not adding anything to the conversation, just being unnecessarily toxic.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Like someone else said: its a refurbished and google gets no money, I'll install GrapheneOS so google gets even less from me

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

They point out in the post thats its refurbished so Google gets no money from them purchasing it.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I've tried all the other map apps, and while they work great for navigation, there's no replacement for reviews on Google Maps. So it's the one Google service I still use.

If you need Google Play services I recommend installing them on a separate profile using Shelter. It's really easy to do. I use that profile for Google Maps and a few other items the require Play services.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

For me Google Maps is good because has all the places I need near me and what not, other maps don't have all of them

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

StreetComplete from F-Droid is what you need for this

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You could consider adding what is missing to OpenStreetMaps so others later will not have the same experience and want to go back to Google Maps

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I've been using Organic Maps lately and found that at least in my area it has more detail than google.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Not for me, unfortunately

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

U can change icons etc by installing different launcher fdroid has a bunch take a look through to find one u like.

There are a few apps that wont work amazon prime is one. My banking apps work but some people have had issues. Overall ive had no issues that i couldnt solve with dr gpt. Would reccommend.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

I tried a few launchers and NeoLauncher is the one I'm currently using. Lawnchair has something I didn't like but I don't remember what lol

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I use magic earth for maps. It lacks in a lot of ways but is a usable map and navigation system. I like the nav and some of the features bit has (safety alerts, reported police) but the map detail kind of sucks. You zoom in and not every street name is shown. But try it and see if it works for you.

Battery life will be better, and by how much depends on your setup and usage. For instance, I have play services installed, which does eat some battery. But I also turn off location, Bluetooth, mic, camera and sometimes WiFi. I only turn services on when I want to use them. That saves battery. So expect good battery life, but don't expect any miracles.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

I will try it later! Sadly, even organic map is good but misses some good stuff or it's not perfect

Damn, you reminded me I have to find some automation apps to disable Bluetooth/wifi based on location. Nothing foss as far as I know (tasker or automate are not foss)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I used GOS for about a year and a half, it’s pretty great. Tbh I didn’t feel I was really losing anything from the standard Android experience, but of course gaining more privacy and security.

Sandboxed Play Services works great. The only downside is you still need a Google account to use it, even if you only use the account for that purpose. And Google has really clamped down on not letting you create an account without providing a phone number.

But overall I definitely recommend GOS.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

I don't think you need a Google account to use Sandboxed Play Services in general. Maybe some specific things that require you to be logged into the Play Store but overall I can use Android Auto and other things I need without being logged in.

What did you find you needed to be logged in for?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I have tried on several occasions to like GrapheneOS. But every time I install it on my Pixel 7, basic functionality breaks. Things like receiving regular phone calls, as in people calling my number using a normal phone. GrapheneOS will sometimes not even ring and immediately display a notification saying "Missed call". If my phone cannot be used as a .. phone, what good is is?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

That's just "regular" Android behaviour

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Is it a problem with you only or is it a problem others have too?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

I've been using GrapheneOS on my phones since the Pixel 3 and I have not had this issue when using Verizon. For the other person maybe it was a different carrier? Or some issue a while ago with that carrier and GrapheneOS.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I've had 2 phones with GrapheneOS and never heard of those issues before.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

So it's not a known problem (?). Good to know

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Generally with android custom ROMs including GrapheneOS, you will need to make sure your cell service and data is working properly on stock android first. Things like VoLTE provisioning need to be done on stock OS for some reason.

Basically if everything with cellular talk / text / data works on stock, it's probably good to go for upgrading to custom ROMs. VoLTE provisioning can be checked with a secret dialpad code I don't remember at the moment.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

So I have to use my Sim to see if everything works? 🤔 we'll see about it, nees to pick a phone first

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Ditto. Deeply frustrating.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Batter was better. Like by a lot. It became normal when I installed the google play sandbox.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

But which one between 7, 7 pro and 8? Not a biggie for money but I'm curious to know.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I'm a photographer and don't find the stock GOS camera to be good enough. I use BigKaka's GCAM mod which is Google's camera with even more features. It doesn't require internet access and everything works in version 9.2 on my Pixel 8. It doesn't require google photos like the stock GCam.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

I wish it was on fdroid though... But I'll check it, thanks!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Is it foss and is this why its not on fdroid.

Also anyone know how to contact said bigkaka?

Edit: forgot somthing

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's not FOSS as it's a modded version of Google Camera which is not open source.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thanks, I'm going to check this out. I'm using Gcam but love that there is something better.

FYI you don't need google photos even though its a requirement. Basically I cant take a picture and then click the little photo thumb to see it. I need to exit the app and click my photo app (the stock GOS one) to open up my photos. "Inconvenient" but really no big deal.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

There is GCam photos preview on Izzyondroid (or Calyx) f-droid repo that is supposed to allow you to preview photos using the little photo thumb while using stock GCam.

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