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I am a long term GrapheneOS user and would like to talk about it. r/privacy on the redditland blocks custom OS discussions which I think is very bad for user privacy, and I hope this post will be useful to anyone who are in the hunt for better privacy.

Nowadays smartphones are a much bigger threats to our privacy and Desktop systems, and unfortunately manufacturers has designed them to be locked down devices with no user freedom. You can't just "install Linux" on most smartphones and it is horrible. And most preloaded systems spy on us like crazy. That was why I specifically bought a pixel and loaded GOS onto it.

According to https://grapheneos.org/features , they start from base AOSP's latest version, imptoves upon it's security and significantly hardens it. There's hardened_malloc to.prevent against exploitation, disabling lots of debugging features, disabling USB-c data, hardening the Linux kernel and system apps etc. They even block accessing the hardware identifiers of the phone so that apps cannot detect whqt phone you're using. That means with Tor and zero permissions given, apps are anonymous.

Compatibility with apps are best in Custom ROMs but there are still that can't work, especially if they enforce device integrity. Very few apps usually enforce that tho. Also their community isn't the friendliest but you can get help. Just don't try and engage too much or have too many debates.

Anyone else here use GrapheneOS, or any other privacy ROMs? What is your experience? Do you disagree on any point? Let's have a discussion!

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (10 children)

Other than Starbucks app and VoLTE stuff, I haven't encountered an issue yet. Somehow all my banking apps work. The profile feature alone makes it worth it. They also recently increased the number of profiles that can be run in parallel, too.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (10 children)

https://www.privacyguides.org/en/android/distributions/#aosp-derivatives

https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm

I am a GOS user, it just works, so I don't really think about it. It's very nice to have storage and contact scopes.

My only complaint is I can't share a VPN over hotspot or tethering, which is very useful for a travel router device (to make all traffic look like it's coming from the phone). (Lineage and calyxos have this)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago (7 children)

What about the network permission?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Sure, that's a nice to have. However, I don't install any apps on my phone that don't need the network. So for my use case it's a bit moot

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

Do you have difficulties running pokemon go (if you do play it) and/or banking apps?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

None of my banking apps or my government ID 2FA app work in GOS, not even with sandboxed google play services. I had to go back to stock android since these are essential to my everyday life. Huge bummer since I replaced my old broken phone specifically with a pixel for GOS.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago

My three banking apps work fine. Ymmv

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 weeks ago

I have used it in the past on a Google Pixel 3A, and I've used Lineage OS for many years as well.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago (24 children)

I would love to buy a pixel to install GrapheneOS but ain't no way I'm giving google money and I don't know where I can buy a brand new pixel. There are currently 3 apps that scare me and not sure if they're even working on GOS and one is my bank app

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

My bank app worked fine on lineage OS without Google Play Services, but I ended up leaving them anyway because I wanted to have a bank that would let me use a mobile website and that bank required the use of their app.

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