isn't that literally the definition of zionism? Why is this even a meme?
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Zionism at its most reductive and ideal is the idea that Jewish people should have a state/homeland that will never persecute them for being Jewish.
In theory, that is what Joe Fucking Biden meant when he told a crowd of Jewish people that he was a Zionist.
The problem starts when you start asking questions like: "How do you do that?" and the actual Zionists, surprisingly, aren't that interested in the creation of a secular state, or what's going to happen to the non-Jewish people already living there.
So, that's the meme. The conflict between the ideal and the reality, this weird thought space between concept and reality that really only takes a person thinking one step ahead to notice but liberals, like Joe Biden, didn't and don't.
If you're being generous to liberals, and not a realist who knows they're active and knowledgeable participants.
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Honoring cultural traditions - the super versatile Swiss Army Talking Point that works equally well for the good guys or the bad guys!
It's funny how Europeans didn't feel the needed to give any of their land to the Jews, even though they're responsible for the Holocaust.
Maybe because Britain had already mandated a Zionist quasi-state (that would eventually become modern day Israel) and Zionist Jews were already migrating there even before the Holocaust? Or are we simply ignoring that part of history?
They had been migrating or atleast trying to since the Ottoman empire controlled the region, Ottoman authorities were able to keep them out to a degree but it was most likely a failing attempt on the long term regardless.
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Actually, allot of countries let some lands for jews, but they don't want it. They want specifically they holly land.
Source? And is it notably different than from, for example, the land the US government "left" for native Americans? Deliberately too small and unproductive to support the population's needs?
Well, in from Argentina and I can say a good and wealthy part of the capital was left for jews in the time, and other parts of o country, and I know some others countries did the same, but that wasn't well accepted by the time. Still we have some tiny communities in that zones from that time.
Varied by country, the Jewish Oblast was kinda shit, but the land in Alaska had potential for example. The Alaska thing wasnt official just an idea a lot of folks were lightly okay with.
A Jewish reservation. In Alaska.
Bro...
Know any other groups of people who might need reservations in Alaska? Know any of them who actually have their rights respected?
There was also ones proposed in Uganda, southern Argentina, Madagascar, and Tasmania. Though I will note that last one is a bit scarce and I only know of it due to an obscure book from the 1890s.
The Madagascar plan was the Nazis and explicitly designed to starve them all to death. I assume the Tasmanian idea is similar in goal. "Hey, this area will technically fit them all, we don't need to check how much of the land is arable ;)"
I don't think you could create a sovereign space for a couple million refugees in either Uganda Argentina but feel free to correct me.
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That brush you're using there is the wrong size
Not really, Leopard isn't remembered like Hitler because Hitler's victims were European.
What?!? This was a perfect opportunity to ~~get rid of Jews and Brown people at the same time~~ settle the promised land! Did you really expect the ~~racists~~ upstanding European leaders not to take it?
Having grown up in evangelical Christianity, I don’t quite understand the attack on liberals here?
Zionism is a major part for the conservative manifesto to create the New Jerusalem to bring forth the return of Jesus. Evangelicals view Jews as reluctant Christians yet to accept their king.
lefties love to hate on liberals for whatever reason. Even though the definition of liberal is not very specific and encompassing.
I still haven't quite figured out why. Idk if people just don't broadly understand the definition of liberalism in a political context, or if it's just "hurr durr not lefty bad" shenanigans.
on another note, if anybody in the comments has any expansive explanation to this, please, indulge my curiosity.
It's the new wrench to move the ratchet
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It has been a political wedge issue used as a weapon by conservatives. Liberal buy-in to zionism is its primary support system.
Liberals support Israel because of Cold War propaganda labeling. That evolved into the good guys versus terrorism propaganda we have now, which blinded us to things like stealing land, the blockade, interfering in elections, and indefinite detainment without charges or trial. It was all hand waived because "terrorists". But in reality it was the only way left for them to try to defend their sovereignty.