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Looking up those patents, the first alludes to a system where a player aims and fires an “item” toward a character in a field, and in doing so triggers combat, and then dives into extraordinary intricacies about switching between modes within this. The second is very similar, but seems more directly focused on tweaking previous patents to including being able to capture Pokémon in the wild, rather than only during battle. The third, rather wildly, seems to be trying to claim a modification to the invention of riding creatures in an open world and being able to transition between them easily.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 hour ago

Ok that third one, come the fuck on.

Like don't even pretend. You could never ride nearly the number of Pokemon you can compared to Pals in Palworld.

That's basically patenting riding a fucking horse

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Its like seeing the 2 worst people fighting, I dont know who I want to to win.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 hour ago

Sorry I'm out of loop. Why is Palworld bad? If I'm reading your comment right when you say 2 worst.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 hours ago

You don't have to pick a side. You have no skin in this beef between big N and legally not Pokemon.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago

Still better than Disney!

[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 hours ago

I don't want palword to win.
I just need Nintendo to loose.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 hours ago

So greed. Like everyone predicted.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

Obviously this depends on the exact details of the patents, which are all in Japanese, as well as the specifics of Japanese patent laws.

However, patents only last for 20 years, and they are undermined by public disclosure before filing. The first Pokemon game came out more than 20 years ago. However^2 not all of the features in the patents were present in the original games. All 3 patents were first filed in 2021, well after many of these features were established.

The first patent is about aiming something and entering into a fight mode. This wasn't in the original game. Aiming at enemies and entering a fight mode almost certainly existed before Pokemon (Final Fantasy perhaps). Furthermore, Palworld doesn't really have a fight mode - it isn't a turn based game but real time. Throwing a sphere is just one way to start a "battle" but there is no mode change between "explore" and "battle" modes because they are functionally the same in Palworld. Pokemon Go and Pokemon Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee, which were all around in 2018, would seem to amount to public disclosure that undermines this patent.

The second patent has more detail about catching Pokemon outside of battles. This might have some elements of Palworld gameplay in it. However, again we have prior art that predates the patent.

The third patent is about riding characters. This has certainly existed in other games before Pokemon and before this patent. Off the top of my head, World of Warcraft had you riding mounts, Final Fantasy had you riding Chocobos, and Mega Man let you ride Rush.

However the big issue with all of these is that these challenges are always better off done before the patent is granted. With the patents established it is a massive uphill struggle trying to get them withdrawn. Given that each charge is only for $33,000, so about $100,000 total, I expect a settlement will be reached instead of going on this fight.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The third one, wouldn't it hit Rockstar with Red Dead Redemption? After all, you do ride a animal(horse) and can easily swap in and our of 'em

[–] [email protected] 2 points 29 minutes ago

I thought of elden ring more so of the patent. Palworld wasnt as smooth as summoning torrent, but it felt very similar.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 hour ago

Given that each charge is only for $33,000, so about $100,000 total, I expect a settlement will be reached instead of going on this fight.

Unfortunately that would be the worst outcome for everyone else.

The patents need to be contested and invalidated or smaller devs will feel they can't use these mechanics.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago

If I recall correctly weren’t all the patients filed for and approved after PAL World released?

[–] [email protected] 93 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

People need to stop supporting Nintendo at all. They're lawsuit happy assholes who have been doing everything they can to piss away any good will they might have had. They're the only game company out there who refuses to make enough of many of their products, like their mini NES and SNES, to meet demand because then its "exclusive", they are the only company trying to destroy all type of emulation for Nintendo consoles, and they're the only company who seems to actually want their older games to disappear into the ether. Edit: Oh and they fucking refuse to put their games on sale or lower their prices years afterwards. BoTW is still 60 bucks even though it's 7 and a half years old. Fucking insane.

Fuck Nintendo.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 hours ago

trying to destroy all type of emulation for Nintendo consoles

Only emulation used by others. They're happy to kang all' the ROMs and emulators off' a site before destroying it for everyone else, then not even sell most of the damn things. Absurd. There's nothing good about that, not even for Nintendo themselves.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Fuck Nintendo. They get a pass so often from people when they really shouldn’t.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 26 minutes ago

Part of the reason is because most people don't notice the lawsuits or think this is boilerplate legal stuff that happens in the background all the time. They're too distracted by the entertainment side of things.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Software patents shouldn't exist!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

I concur. I hope this goes to court and the judge throws those patents out.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Patents shouldn't exist! Mostly.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

Patents shouldn’t exist! Mostly.

We had a history before patents/copyright were enforced. It was pretty brutal for anyone trying to make a living with their creations. Take a look and see if you want to return to that.