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Ticking away
The moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours
In an offhand way
Kicking around on a piece of ground
In your hometown
Waiting for someone
Or something to show you the way

Tired of lying in the sunshine
Staying home to watch the rain
You are young and life is long
And there is time to kill today
And then one day you find
Ten years have got behind you
No one told you when to run
You missed the starting gun

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 12 hours ago

Do not work more than what is advantageous to you. This is your own limit and can change throughout your career. There will be times when working extra hours may get you to the next level, this is a path you can pursue or walk away from.

When I was just starting off in my career, my mentor told me about Scott as a cautionary tale. Scott was a hard working, and dedicated employee. He started with the company on a factory floor. He was known for always working overtime when it was available, and the first person to call if you needed someone to cover a shift.

The company was investing heavily in IT and people it determined were intelligent enough and dedicated enough to do the job. Scott was brought into a training program, sent to some classes, and pulled from the factory floor to an office job.

Scott maintained his work ethic, even though he was salaried he found value in working extra. He felt he was noticed and that his efforts were appreciated. He was also able to pick up new skills and knowledge much faster than his coworkers because he worked more hours.

Scott never married. He tried dating a few times, but the women he dated didn't like being second to his career. Scott lived modestly and talked to his parents a few times a month.

Scott was the first one to arrive and the last to leave. The joke around the office was that he had a bed under his desk. He eventually got into gaming, late nights playing started to drag on him. But he was always at his desk before anyone else. Occasionally someone would catch him sleeping at his desk.

One day the police came looking for him. His parents hadn't been able to reach him. When someone went to his desk, he was asleep, but they couldn't wake him.

The coroner estimated he had been dead for 3 days. In that chair for 3 days. Coworkers walking by, saying good morning, jokes about not working too late. He had nothing really but that job.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 19 hours ago

You work your entire life to pay for your headstone.

(Approximate translation of some french punk lyrics that capture the same sentiment)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I had this happen to me once when I was trapped in a whale. Sat down to play hand of poker. Next thing you know 40 years had passed by.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Its ribs are ceiling-beams, its guts are carpeting, I guess we have some time to kill.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We bought a travel trailer back in 2011. A neighbor asked for a tour, so I showed it to him. He was telling me that it had been him and his wife's dream to buy an RV when they retired and tour the country. Unfortunately, medical issues meant that never happened.

He told us we were smart to do it young. You just never know. And we've had many great experiences in it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

And we've had many great experiences in it.

Oh, I bet you have ... ಠ⁠◡⁠ಠ

[–] [email protected] 8 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

THE IMPLICATION HERE IS SEX

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

That guy fucks.

In his recreational vehicle.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think I'm the second frame, quickly becoming the third

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago

I might still be first, how do I break out, waiting for instructions......

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is a good place to remind everyone that if you wait for social security retirement in America you have a really good chance of dying shortly after that retirement. The great die off starts at 65.

And yes you can live healthier to have better odds of getting higher on that chart. But you cannot add young years. So if your idea of Europe includes skiing in the alps or something then you need to go before you retire. Don't let the idle rich dictate your life. They aren't waiting around.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago

And yes you can live healthier to have better odds of getting higher on that chart.

Living healthier means keeping your stress low, saving time for exercise, and limiting your intake of fast food.

But these are luxuries primarily reserved for the already wealthy. Luxuries afforded through cheap service sector labor.

Like so much else in this country, good health is paid for with a labor tax on the poor.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That population pyramid is a bit misleading because the baby boom coincides with the ages with the steepest declines. In part, there were significantly fewer people born in 1939 compared to 1959, so you'd expect way more 65 year olds than 85 year olds in 2024.

Yes, the death rate is higher among older people, but the life expectancy of a 60 year old man is still another 20 years.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago

the life expectancy of a 60 year old man is still another 20 years.

Also, importantly, Americans (born in 1980 as a reference) have a 95% chance of living to see age 60.

Even in relatively poor and disadvantaged states (W. Virginia or Mississippi) you're looking at 92-94% odds.

We've solved for a lot of the early mortality threats common to prior generations - childhood diseases most prominently. We've also seen a general improvement in public health with respect to smoking and drinking. And workplace safety has improved dramatically as we shifted from Ag Labor to Industrial work to Office jobs.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You're not wrong but you're not right. Life expectancy is an average. Here's a 1980 chart that shows the same trend.

Also baby boomers are 60-78 years old. You can clearly see the die off happening within their generation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You don't think that 1980 chart has a very different shape? The current chart is almost flat from 20-60, while the 1980 chart is actually pyramid shaped, with the steepness is only slightly sharper past 60. And matches the steepness of the range from 25-50. Nobody talks about a 25-year-old die off.

You're better off charting the actuarial tables to convey the data you're trying to talk about (death rates), rather than relying on a stat that is influenced by birth rates and death rates in an opaque way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's the baby boom moving up the chart. It's 1980, they're 15-35. You can clearly see the normal population before the baby boom and it's fall off.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

That's the baby boom moving up the chart.

Yes, exactly my point. The boomer generation itself made the population pyramid look different at every stage of its life, which is why the 1980 chart looks so different from the 2023 chart. When you introduce a cohort that has its own slope from birth statistics, the shape of the drop off at 60 is confounded by the preexisting shape of the slope before they entered old age.

So the appropriate method of isolating the variable that shows what you call a "die off" would be to just pull up the actuarial tables that show what percentage of 60, 61, 62 year olds, etc., die that year. Not to compare how many of those there are as a percent of overall population.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Except they cover the period we're worried about. Everyone figures anything after 80 is a gift. The oldest boomers are 78. You have 2 years on that chart that might be questionable. Seeing the die off start at 65 to 75 is all within the "new" paradigm.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

You keep calling it a "die off" because you're being visually tricked by the misleading population pyramid. Use the actuarial tables instead.

Among 65 year old men, the probability of surviving to 75 is 76%. The probability of surviving to 85 is 39%. The probability of surviving to 95 is 5.9%.

For women, the odds are 84%, 52%, and 12% of getting to 75/85/95, respectively.

Yes, these are higher death rates than at younger ages. But nowhere near what the shape of the population pyramid suggests, where the 85 age cohort is about 1/4 as large as the 65, which misleadingly suggests a probability of 25% of living 20 more years, when the real number is closer to 45%.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

And you don't see that as the start of a slope if you were to graph the chance of death at that age? It starts jumping precipitously after 65. And the new age of 67 just gets worse. I'm not sure what you're actual argument here is. The point of the graph is to not grind away your good years and find yourself trying to pack a lifetime of experiences into the years where you start playing hide and seek with Death. Your data doesn't show anything meaningfully different to the average person. If half of us are going to get thanos snapped, you're not going to call that something minor, easily avoided.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Maybe it's time to finally give it all up and buy that little sailboat ⛵

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I suffer from catastrophic seasickness

[–] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago

there are pills for that

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I keep having dreams of things I need to do

And waking up but not following through

But it feels like I haven't slept at all

When I wake to a silence and she's facing the wall

Posters of Dylan and of Hemingway

An antique compass for a sailor's escape

She says, "You just can't live this way"

And I close my eyes and I never say

I'm still having dreams

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I was just listening to this song today.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago

Poor bastard was waiting for Windows update to finish.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Surviving in love, surviving in hate
We still have to die, there can be no escape
Clock in, clock out, forty hours a week
Our lives being spent with no real truth to speak

(Sung by the guy who hung himself at age 40 to the sound of Sean Lennon's "Into The Sun." Don't try this at home, kids.)

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