Am I wrong or do the wizards not remember their lives before they were sent to middle earth?
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I don't think the original books ever told anything about it.
Iirc the books themselves didn't say, but Tolkien's letters say something to the effect of the Istari only having vague memories of their time as Maia, with the exception of things that they were explicitly meant to remember, e.g. Olórin's memories of being sent back after his physical death while fighting Durin's Bane.
They know that they are, in our parlance, embodied angels or minor gods, but they don't remember a ton of where they came from
Do the balrogs have the same memory issues?
That's a very good question, and one that I don't know the answer to. I would guess no, as the point of the Istari losing their memories was to make them more like the people they were sent to save; itz's not something about being embodied that made them lose their bodyless memories, it was part of their mission. The balrogs had no such mission
Doesn't matter. While that amazon shitshow tells a different story, Gandalf (as Radagast and Saruman) only arrived in the third age, long after the War of the Last Alliance. Gandalf might be infinitely older than Elrond yet wasn't there.
Maiar is the plural
Small nerd gripe. Maia is the singular form of Maiar. "I am a Maia," or "I am one of the Maiar" get you there
Maia who?
Maia he
Maia ha ha
something-something Núma Númenor
God, I love this community.
Is Middle-earth juxtaposed between Top-earth and Bottom-earth or Right-earth and Left-earth?
The serious answer is it's juxtaposed with East and West. West being the Undying Lands of Valinor, and East being the much less well-explored Land of the Sun.
Beginning-earth and End-earth
Guess where we are
Yes. It's the inner goo of the earth cube.
Inner earth and outer earth.
No
So there were five godlike beings sent to fight Sauron. Only one of them did his job.
Wait till you learn about Melkor! He's a Vala, or one of the Valar, which is a higher order than the Maiar, and was basically super-Sauron from the before times
Isn’t much of the power of the Maiar in diplomacy and setting events in motion? Gandalf was as much of an interloper and manipulator as he was anything else, and his hiring Bilbo as a thief was the penultimate piece of his mission, as inadvertent as I’m not entirely sure it was. Right? No, really, I’m kinda asking, I don’t know for sure.
I mean, sure he was alive. But he wasn't physically there.
"Well I read in a book that I was there. I can't actually remember more than a few hundred years back."
Ashildr from Doctor Who was brilliant.
I SEEN IT!!
Perfect casting, too
I'm wondering now, how our little brains would adapt to living like for thousands of years. Would we really start forgetting things that are waaaay back?
Yes and no, probably. You will remember important bits and will reconstruct/imagine other things just like you do now. Even with our short lifes not all the things you "remember" actually happened.
This is a really interesting part of the Red Mars Trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson
I've already forgotten most of my childhood and I'm only around 30. So I'd assume, yes.
That’s… that’s not normal.
Thats usually trauma suppressing memories, sorry mate,
It wasnt specified what was meant by childhood. The further back you go the less you remember. I remember a lot more about 6-10 grade than 1-6 grade.
You should still be able to recall specific events at all portions of your life, it’s abnormal not to, but you can defend it and ignore potentially life limiting issues if you want.
Nah, it's just shitty memory. I have had quite the happy childhood, actually.
I don't find myself reminiscing a lot and in the rare cases I do, there are quite some gaps. Even in more recent times. If I really try to dig, maybe it comes back, but I assume it's "use it or lose it".
That still ain’t normal dude. You’re supposed to be able to recall memories from any point of your life…
You actually can't. Human memory is really quite terrible. Most of your older memories are likely distorted by other people telling you about them, or even just the natural decay that occurs whenever you recall a memory.
That is just factually incorrect And what people lie to themselves to make them feel better. Humans are great at recollection, why would you claim otherwise…?
The age 0-3 is the only time you should have zero recollection, anything else is something you should talk to neurologist or psychologist about, but sure lie to make yourself feel better I guess…?
The unreliability of memory has been known pretty well for a long time. It's why eye witness testimony in court should not be given nearly as much weight as the average person gives it.
There's a common misconception that trauma is the main cause of childhood amnesia. A logical assumption but is completely unfounded.
Fun quote from that article, you absolute scholar
So, what's your point? Other people might have a lot more boring childhood anecdotes to tell, but it's not like I'm suffering in any kind. I still remember people or useful skill - the stuff I do use.
As an added benefit of growing up quite poor, I probably just had less unique experiences I actually could recall. Like, I've been on three travel vacations overall. Kinda like those COVID years blurred together for most people.
Yeah, I have shitty memory too... Sometimes my friends talk about something we did 15-20 years ago and half the time it unlocks a memory, the other half I can't recall at all
Yeah, that’s it normal, hence why they remember and you don’t dude… you don’t think that’s not strange? That multiple friends recall events easily and you don’t…?
You would forget most everything. Even big events would become fuzzy. Do you remember what you had for lunch on this date when you were 5?
"The Man from Earth"
Such a gem of a movie
It's Friday. Rectangle pizza
A breadtangle of pizza
Is that just regular pizza with rectangles on it?