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Four Passengers Die in Burning Tesla After Electronic Doors Seemingly Won't Open (futurism.com)

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This happened in Toronto on October 24th

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Explain to me how the engineers aren't guilty of manslaughter?

Look, I lasted one semester at engineering school, washed all the way out almost immediately. I still had to write a 10-page case study on an engineering failure, and the one I chose was the McDonnell-Douglas DC-10 cargo door failures. They teach this shit in failing community colleges in purple states. The buck stops with the PE that signed the plans. Drag his ass into criminal court. The person who allowed this design to go to production does not need to be free.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

They won't because this would require a trial where rich people wouldn't benefit, which is a waste of government resources, which goes against the Department of Government Efficiency's goals. More efficient to throw these poor souls' families under the bus.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Always have an emergency hammer in your car to break a window

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Something pointed would be way better, doesn't even have to be big

Many are built into USB adapters for the old cigarette lighter style of plug, so if you've got a car with one of those plugs you can slot it in and if you ever need it you pop it out, put the plug to the window and slam, shatters right away, don't need that much force or space at all

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Would that work in a car that purports to have bulletproof windows?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Further investigation shows that three of the four had recently posted mean things about Elon Musk on Xitter. A representative from the company issued the following statement. "It is unfortunate that the fourth passenger, who was seemingly innocent of blasphemy, chose to associate with the guilty parties. Sometimes collateral damage has to occur in our attempt to cleanse the population."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Why is it Lemmy is okay with Outrage culture when it targets Tesla/SpaceX/Apple, yet criticized else where?

So reading these comments most people don't understand that many cars have electronic doors for several valid design reasons and yet all I have seen have manual overrides. Tesla as many other cars without window trims have to lower the glass before you can open the door. Most if not all cars even German makes do this electronicly but like my Tesla, have a manual handle that mechanicly drops the glass windows panel so you can open normally.

Both my Tesla and friends VW Benzin(Gas) car som 15 years ago use the same system... If the car have no trim and electronic windows, you also have this design issue, which extends this to ALL car brands.

But yea let's throw reason out the window and yell "Tesla bad!!!"...

How if it is true some models don't have the manual override (and that might include none Tesla cars if there indeed is no regulation that mandates it) I feel bad for the people not knowing or the safety ratings ignoring this oversight.

I can just say, mine does and is mentioned in the safety rating used in EU.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think it's more like

Car on fire PANIC!!! OH SHIT I can't just pull this door handle to get out. Oh God it's so hot, what's happening ... (Get disoriented) ... Trying to find a way out still. A series of steps with a hidden release has to happen - hope you knew that before you climbed in.

Yeah many cars do have electronic doors, but they can be easily opened without electricity in a simple way. Yank the handle.

For some reason Tesla thought that was a bad idea. It's stupid, I know they should have broken a window but when you're panicking going on years of experience opening car doors you're going to try to open them the way you know how.

So, yeah, it's not just because it's a Tesla - it's because it's a dangerous and dumb engineering choice that they made which puts people's lives in danger unnecessarily.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Many people in my Tesla have janked the emergency handle, rather than clicking the button to get out without any emergency, there isn't any Door handle, there is the emergency handle... Which kinda proves my point and your outrage comment proves you haven't even been in a Tesla yet comment on "it's bad design".

Same kind of comments from people against seatbelts when they were introduced. "It's not the standard and people will burn in their cars" without seeing or trying a seatbelt.

It very much is because it's a Tesla because my point about Tesla not being the only car which use electric windows control pre opening the door. Yet people hating on "EV needs power to get out" failing to realise that many Gas powered vehicles require the same thing. Some even implemented explosives that need to push the door off to be able to get out.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What the hell are you on about? Seatbelts were introduced to SAVE lives, removing handles was done to look cool.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Many people in my Tesla have janked the emergency handle, rather than clicking the button to get out without any emergency, there isn’t any Door handle, there is the emergency handle… Which kinda proves my point and your outrage comment proves you haven’t even been in a Tesla yet comment on “it’s bad design”.

That might be true for the front seat, but what about the back? I doubt you'd have 4 passengers all up front with you in the passenger seat.

I've never been in a Tesla, but according to the owner's manual the emergency release for the back seat is a cable behind a hidden panel, and not all models actually have that hidden panel.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why is it Lemmy is okay with Outrage culture when it targets Tesla/SpaceX/Apple, yet criticized else where?

Is that a serious question?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It is. I very much enjoy fuckcars and push for public transport when possible. However I hate the traditional car companies more for lying and burying alternatives to ICE more than I do the one company that in 10 years changed a stagnant Gas/Benzin polluting product which got bigger and bigger to a now Electric alternatives. That includes the side effect in my city for electric busses which were not a thing before said company and the change in zeitgeist around EV vs ICE.

So yes I'm in fuck cars and I am saying while I hate the current CEO of the company, I also recognize their success have pushed and improved my local public transport system and city (which in 2030 will ban all ICE cars from its center with a much larger push towards public alternatives at the same time).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If there was a burning car and I had to open your Tesla's door from the outside to save you, you're dead because I wouldn't be able to figure out how to use the handle, regardless of whether the thing was still powered or not.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I have had many people ride in my Tesla and most of them opened the door by pulling the emergency handle... By instinct. So great job reading a headline and commenting without ever being in a Tesla, calling something you have never seen "bad design".

Some kind of argument this group deals with when people say " busses/trains don't work [instead made up thing they have never seen]"

Great job furthering the cause or any change at improving anything.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Tesla bootlicker go brrrrr 🤣

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Try breaking a window man, do your due diligence and save a life. Don’t just give up at the slight obstacle.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Not risking my life EXTRA for someone still choosing to drive a Tesla after all of this, I'll keep on keepin' on and leave that to the professionals

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If the occupant is unconscious, dragging one out of the window can make things significantly worse if there are injuries from a crash. The door handle should always be available. Even if the door won't open on one side because of an impact there, use the other side. There are much better alternatives than dragging someone over shattered glass out of a window.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

It's safety glass. More like pebbles than sharp shards. Please drag me over shattered automotive glass if I'm otherwise burning alive in a car.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Life over limbs. If the vehicle is on fire and I’m unconscious, fucking drag me out by any means necessary.

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